Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Jun 2008 23:18 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones I've seen superlative after superlative concerning the release of Firefox 3.0, and in all honesty, it is making my stomach ache. Yes, Firefox 3.0 is a great release. It has a slicker interface (the UI on Vista looks quite pretty) and the use of native widgets in Linux is a very, very welcome addition. On top of that, it actually delivers what I was craving for the most from my favourite Windows web browser: much improved performance. But does Firefox 3.0 change the web, or alter the way we use the intertubes?
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linux has more than one GUI
by mtzmtulivu on Fri 20th Jun 2008 23:48 UTC
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

firefox 3 has native look in windows ..windows xp looks different from windows vista so it has two look in windows ..

on the linux side, most people either use kde or gnome(i personally prefer fluxbox windows manager but all apps are kde) .. anyway, in the linux world ..there are two toolkits(among others) and firefox looks native on gtk based systems like gnome desktop environment and there is no change on kde side(i havent seen any so far)

saying firefox3 looks native on linux is almost an insult to kde users ..

how long will we have to wait before we get kde integration on firefox?

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RE: linux has more than one GUI
by buff on Fri 20th Jun 2008 23:57 in reply to "linux has more than one GUI"
buff Member since:
2005-11-12

saying firefox3 looks native on linux is almost an insult to kde users ..

Time to lay off the coffee my friend. You seem stressed. I hear your pain though, since I used KDE way back when. I think the move by Fedora and Ubuntu to a more Gnome-centric focus gives Gnome a lot of weight.

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frood Member since:
2005-07-06

Time to lay off the coffee my friend.

A KDE user? It's the tea surely.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I think the move by Fedora and Ubuntu to a more Gnome-centric focus gives Gnome a lot of weight.

In what way? I don't see anything new happening or anything major that's going to make current Windows or OS X users look at it and think "Wow, I'll have to try that". Cut it any way you like but there just isn't much happening, and it matters little that Fedora and Ubuntu have decided to use it.

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

"Must find... pretense for... self-righteous indignation!"

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fernandotcl Member since:
2007-08-12

saying firefox3 looks native on linux is almost an insult to kde users ..

Oh, the drama.

It's not native to Gnome either (unless patched), it's native to GTK. Nitpicks aside, it mostly blends in well with the rest of a KDE desktop. The unification between several desktop standards is old news, and there are several ways to make GTK look exactly like Qt.

Of course, you may argue that it looks exactly like Qt, but doesn't feel exactly like Qt, and I agree, but it's a small price to pay. And you could also argue that it takes disk space, increases memory usage, blah, blah... The truth is, not enough people care, so it's not going to change any time soon, if ever.

A Webkit KPart for Konqueror is in the works, now that's gonna be nice.

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zombie process Member since:
2005-07-08

My argument would be that it looks like crap in KDE with the same settings that FF2 looked OK with. I don't really care much since I use firefox as a backup for when konqueror doesn't render a page correctly, but the FF3 UI definitely looks bad on both linux boxen I have it installed on. Looks fine on windows XP where FF is my browser of choice, though.

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segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

Nitpicks aside, it mostly blends in well with the rest of a KDE desktop. The unification between several desktop standards is old news, and there are several ways to make GTK look exactly like Qt.

Guess who's responsible for that? ;-)

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RE: linux has more than one GUI
by lemur2 on Sat 21st Jun 2008 02:36 in reply to "linux has more than one GUI"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

firefox 3 has native look in windows ..windows xp looks different from windows vista so it has two look in windows ..

on the linux side, most people either use kde or gnome(i personally prefer fluxbox windows manager but all apps are kde) .. anyway, in the linux world ..there are two toolkits(among others) and firefox looks native on gtk based systems like gnome desktop environment and there is no change on kde side(i havent seen any so far)

saying firefox3 looks native on linux is almost an insult to kde users ..

how long will we have to wait before we get kde integration on firefox?


Perhaps the best approach is to get gtk+ integration into KDE ...

http://jaysonrowe.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/tip-gtk-apps-under-kde-4...

I think the trick is to use something called 'qtcurve-gtk2'.

http://jaysonrowe.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/gtk.jpeg

Edited 2008-06-21 02:40 UTC

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RE: linux has more than one GUI
by smitty on Sat 21st Jun 2008 02:45 in reply to "linux has more than one GUI"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Cross your fingers and hope something comes out of this:
http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

i would say it looks "Nativ-er" on linux. wouldn't you rather gtk widgets then motif or whatever it was before?

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TLZ_ Member since:
2007-02-05

I think the reason Firefox choose to support GTK as native toolkit is because Firefox as a browser has a philosophy that more GNOME-like. (Keep it simple, and have more advanced extra functionality in plugins/extensions instead of built-in.) Not in the extreme degree that Epiphany does(it does very little out of the box) though.

I think Opera is a lot closer to the KDE-philosophy. It has tons of stuff out-of-the-box. And of course: also uses the Qt-toolkit. With the exception of being open source... =/

Personally I don't think KDE-people should complain too much about lacking stuff in their own toolkit, *alot* of commercial stuff is written in Qt. (Quite simple because Qt is probably a hell lot more effective to program in than GTK. Qt is more RAD-oriented, and it also have (good, no running in X11 or non-native widgets) mac support.) Skype for instance. (And Google Earth if my memory serves me right.)

In addition: how many DE uses Qt except KDE itself? (Correct me if I'm ignorant here!) Not alot fo my knowledge, but XFCE for instances uses GTK, and whenever I see a *box screenshot they're usually running GTK-apps.

That being said, Firefox is open source. Nothing's stopping anyone from creating a theme/extension/modification/whatever-it-takes to make Firefox have native KDE-widgets. That's the beauty of OSS. ;)

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