Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

Last time I looked when you compare Solaris and Linux its most likely going to be on servers and Mac OS has NO presence on servers at all. (Even though apple pretends to make a server OS)

Unix has been dead since Google started to use Linux and almost all super computers started to using Linux and it started to take over device markets and phone markets.

Linux is mainstream now, we have to face the fact that on the server its Linux and Windows and that is that. And now Linux is going to be marketed like anything else if it's going to continue to grow market share etc.

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chekr Member since:
2005-11-05

"Unix has been dead since Google started to use Linux and almost all super computers started to using Linux"

Ridiculous reasoning!

Google is but one company, however you want to measure it there is no denying that Unix systems have great market penetration in the things they have been targeted at. The financial services industry is almost solely using Solaris or AIX for their heavy lifting. Telco's are heavy users of Solaris as are the oil industry and military.

On the web-tier LAMP is king, but keep in mind that Sun's new CMT boxes running Solaris have changed the price/performance ratio in this market.

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

"Unix has been dead since Google started to use Linux and almost all super computers started to using Linux"

Ridiculous reasoning!

Google is but one company, however you want to measure it there is no denying that Unix systems have great market penetration in the things they have been targeted at. The financial services industry is almost solely using Solaris or AIX for their heavy lifting. Telco's are heavy users of Solaris as are the oil industry and military.

On the web-tier LAMP is king, but keep in mind that Sun's new CMT boxes running Solaris have changed the price/performance ratio in this market.


Are you kidding me??

Last time I looked:

New York stock exchange:LINUX
Chicago Mercantile Exchange: Linux
HSBC:LINUX
New Zealand's TSB Bank:LINUX
Korean Air:LINUX
FAA:LINUX
US POSTAL SERVICE:LINUX
US ARMY: Lots of Linux http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/27/us_army_going_to_linux/

I could go on an on. But that is a small snap shot of companies that crunch large numbers using Linux. HSBC alone having 125 Million customers.

Way more companies are moving to Linux then moving off Linux. If you look at company figures Suns sales are stagnate while Novell and Red Hat are growing.

Solaris can not out run Linux on x86!

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

Linux is mainstream now, we have to face the fact that on the server its Linux and Windows and that is that. And now Linux is going to be marketed like anything else if it's going to continue to grow market share etc.

Linux has basically always earned its popularity and grown based on real advantages compared to other OSes (especially Windows) and its own merits. You claim that it's now mainstream--if that's the case, it seems that word of mouth really paid off. Given that, why the hell would it take FUD and belittling the competition (which, no doubt, Linux is riding off the success of in terms of system design) to start selling it now that it's already relatively popular? Solaris *is* UNIX. Linux was designed right from the start to be a *clone* of UNIX.

I'm sorry, but this guy seems like nothing more than an arrogant prick. All the article did was praise Linux as if it were his god, and put every other UNIX or UNIX-like operating system down.

Edited 2008-09-25 12:34 UTC

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Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

"Linux is mainstream now, we have to face the fact that on the server its Linux and Windows and that is that. And now Linux is going to be marketed like anything else if it's going to continue to grow market share etc.

Linux has basically always earned its popularity and grown based on real advantages compared to other OSes (especially Windows) and its own merits. You claim that it's now mainstream--if that's the case, it seems that word of mouth really paid off. Given that, why the hell would it take FUD and belittling the competition (which, no doubt, Linux is riding off the success of in terms of system design) to start selling it now that it's already relatively popular? Solaris *is* UNIX. Linux was designed right from the start to be a *clone* of UNIX.

I'm sorry, but this guy seems like nothing more than an arrogant prick. All the article did was praise Linux as if it were his god, and put every other UNIX or UNIX-like operating system down.
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The funny thing is that no one can dispute what he is talking about. He doesn't say Solaris sucks, he doesn't say that ZFS and DTrace are not good or great. All that is said is that no matter how good that stuff is no one is really using it and Solaris is loosing market share to Linux.

Suns biggest problem is that on x86 Linux runs better. On sparc Solaris is king cause they own the platform like Apple. BUT you get stuck. When you want to upgrade to faster hardware its way more cost effective to do it on x86. Also you can shop around and get the best price on x86 not being stuck with one vender. Same with most apps for Linux. Hey Red Hat doesn't give me the value I need then I can go to Suse or Ubuntu if I have a good Linux staff. Makes companies like Red Hat work harder to keep customers happy!

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