Linked by David Adams on Wed 24th Sep 2008 22:44 UTC, submitted by snydeq
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin has said it is time for Solaris to simply move out of the way and yield the future to Linux. 'The future is Linux and Microsoft Windows. It is not Unix or Solaris,' he claims, contending that Sun's strength in long-lifecycle apps is giving way to Linux, as evidenced by the rise of Web apps, where Linux holds a decided advantage, Zemlin claims. With capabilities such as ZFS and DTrace, Sun is trying to compete based on minor features, he says. 'That's literally like noticing the view from a third-story building as it burns to the ground.'
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RE: Very offensive
by segedunum on Thu 25th Sep 2008 17:23 UTC in reply to "Very offensive"
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Saying that ZFS and DTrace are "minor features" is very offensive and arrogant.

Possibly, but he's not dissing ZFS and DTrace per se. He's merely hinting that they're not features that are going to make people flock back to Solaris and get all wet over OpenSolaris, as Sun thinks they will.

The idea behind open source was cooperation, "healthy" competition, sharing, etc. Where is such spirit right now?

I haven't seen such spirit for a very long time, and I certainly haven't seen it amongst Sun consultants, and internally, where Linux is seen as a toy OS that cannot match up to a real Unix like Solaris. That view is still held by Sun culturally today.

If Solaris is dead, what about my NetBSD little project? What about the other BSDs? the "revolutionary" ideas behind DragonFlyBSD? And what about SkyOS? Syllable? Haiku? AROS?

If you're suggesting that that is Solaris's future, then it is dead. Sun simply cannot sustain something with such little usage versus the research and development and maintanenance money and resources they are putting in. Sun's costs need to come down, and there will be some kicking and screaming, but ditching Solaris and SPARC is what's needed. It's just not a growing market, and the costs of keeping it going aren't getting any easier.

Or what about MacOS X? It actually has more marketshare than Linux!

I have never seen a Mac OS X server actually used anywhere for anything.

Some days ago I read a similarly arrogant article about how "ubuntu" does not contribute to the kernel...

Well they don't, and those that write code are entitled to point it out. That's the currency.

Linux guys always attacked Microsoft when they were smaller, but now while they are growing, they are becoming more and more arrogant and aggressive... just like them.... What a pity!!

Competitors always will get a bit aggressive with each other, but it is nowhere near as arrogant (companies in the Linux foundation compete with Sun), aggressive and sad as the attitude I have got from Sun consultants when they see a Linux server, or when you mention Linux as a solution to some problems:

1. Linux is not a real Unix OS and has nowhere near the reliability of Solaris.

2. Solaris performs better.

3. Yes, if you run Linux on x86 you might well get a pretty sizeable performance increase whilst cutting your costs (admitted grudgingly), but using Solaris on SPARC is so much more reliable and won't kill your family and eat your family pet.

4. It is simply inconceivable and unimaginable to Sun that you could run anything serious on Linux or x86 versus a real Unix OS and real hardware that costs serious wonga and needs an army of consultants to set it up for you and keep it going.

Point 4 still pervades Sun to this day. Don't be fooled. They actually see OpenSolaris and Solaris on x86 as stop-gap measures until people see sense and come back to Solaris and SPARC.

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RE[2]: Very offensive
by joshbaptiste on Thu 25th Sep 2008 17:33 in reply to "RE: Very offensive"
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perfect response... Sun has shunned the GNU/Linux community for years, Now that they are feeling it in their pockets they are suddenly open source advocates.

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