Linked by David Adams on Sun 5th Oct 2008 03:18 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless A Fortune Magazine article looks at hand-held computing's most beleaguered major player and wonders whether it wouldn't be better off hitching its wagon to Google's coat-tails and adopting Android. After shunting aside its own, old-and-creaky OS in favor of Microsoft's it's been hanging its hopes on a long-awaited new Linux-based OS. Android may be Palm's best bet to avoid stemming its inexorable slide into irrelevance.
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by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 5th Oct 2008 09:54 UTC
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Honestly: What's with all that buzz around Android? It uses a Java dialect as API -- nothing even remotely standardized. That API is compatible with nothing out there except a single newly released phone.

Why is everybody raving about Android when there's Maemo? Maemo is a mature platform. It's out in the wild since 2005. It have a big and active developer community. Its APIs are based around GNOME and soon also Qt.
Maemo is free. Really free. No NDAs on pre-release SDKs like Andoid's.

OK, Maemo is currently targeted at PDAs without phone capability, but how difficult can it be for Palm to port a phone app over?

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RE: No - one word
by jabbotts on Sun 5th Oct 2008 11:41 in reply to "No"
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2007-09-06

Google

The single most powerful brand name in the world is releasing a mobile phone OS; for some, that's more than enough. My personal hope is that the competition pushes Maemo to even greater hights.

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RE[2]: No - one word
by hobgoblin on Sun 5th Oct 2008 16:17 in reply to "RE: No - one word"
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2005-07-06

given the recent fremantle talks, it seems nokia is aiming squarely at iphone ;)

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RE: No
by g2devi on Sun 5th Oct 2008 12:48 in reply to "No"
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2005-07-09

I don't get it either. With Android, you're required a Google account, and you're required to use GMail and other G-services. We railed against MS-Passport, but when Google tries the same thing, "it's a good thing" for some reason. No thanks. Maemo is likely a far better choice for Palm. Someone has to cater to the non-groupie locked in (i.e. iPhone and Android) crowd.

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RE[2]: No
by unoengborg on Sun 5th Oct 2008 13:21 in reply to "RE: No"
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2005-07-06

I don't get it either. With Android, you're required a Google account, and you're required to use GMail and other G-services. We railed against MS-Passport, but when Google tries the same thing, "it's a good thing" for some reason. No thanks. Maemo is likely a far better choice for Palm. Someone has to cater to the non-groupie locked in (i.e. iPhone and Android) crowd.



Last time I looked there was no requirement in using Google services with Android. We can expect that it will come with components that makes it easy to use such services, but that's hardly surprising.


Android is built to be modular, so a reasonably good developer should be able to extend or even replace even standard components of Android, so if you don't like G-mail you can even write you own mail system. My guess is that we will see a lot of e-mail, calendaring plugins in the market, once the handsets becomes a little more common.

This is nothing like the Microsoft passport thing.

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RE[2]: No
by AndrewDubya on Sun 5th Oct 2008 16:26 in reply to "RE: No"
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2006-10-15

It's becoming just as mainstream to hate Google as it is to hate Microsoft. Actually, it's worse than that. People seem to think Microsoft is small now and they can't do any harm, which I think is amazingly short-sighted. Microsoft is still the major company doing whatever it can to lock people in to proprietary formats to prevent competition.

It's safe to ignore comments that Maemo doesn't have phone support. I'm sure it will soon enough. My problem with Maemo is that it's just not that clean, and this coming from someone who really loves his N810. All of the apps that really "work" on the n810 use insanely customized UIs. I still hold out hope for it... I don't think there is plenty of work that can be done with Maemo to make it better, without sacrificing too much backwards compatibility.

But, on that note, I really think people are using other biases to assume Android will be bad. I'm looking forward to getting an Android-based phone (maybe not the G1 though), and I'm sure I'll be able to use it in addition to my N810 if that proves to be useful.

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RE: No
by TSDgeos on Sun 5th Oct 2008 15:12 in reply to "No"
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2007-05-26

No phone with maemo, so maemo is bastly irrelevant, most people want one gadget to rule them all, and maemo can't be without a phone

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RE[2]: No
by hobgoblin on Sun 5th Oct 2008 16:25 in reply to "RE: No"
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2005-07-06

nokia recently handed some 3G radio drivers over to the linux kernel. the next device will probably sport a wwan radio.

but it will not do native calls, iirc. so voip will be the method (something the existing tablets can already do, using wifi).

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RE[2]: No
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 5th Oct 2008 17:04 in reply to "RE: No"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

No phone with maemo, so maemo is bastly irrelevant, most people want one gadget to rule them all, and maemo can't be without a phone

So? How does your badly written comment explain why Palm shouldn't use Maemo?
Maemo is currently not a phone OS, yes. Palm (or any other phone company) could easily extend Maemo.
Unlike Android, Maemo has already a big software eco system. Android is just experimental.

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RE: No
by modmans2ndcoming on Sun 5th Oct 2008 18:39 in reply to "No"
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2005-11-09

open platform making it easier for developers and hackers and hardware makers to play with. Hardware markers get the benefit of having a ready made ecosystem and they don't have to pay for it.

The hardest thing to do with a smart phone is to get an active ecosystem, jumping onto Android gets them an active ecosystem for free.

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RE[2]: No
by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 5th Oct 2008 20:26 in reply to "RE: No"
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

open platform making it easier for developers and hackers and hardware makers to play with. Hardware markers get the benefit of having a ready made ecosystem and they don't have to pay for it.

What are you talking about? Maemo is an open platform -- since 2005.
Android is NOT open. If it was truly open, there was no NDA on pre-release SDKs.

The hardest thing to do with a smart phone is to get an active ecosystem, jumping onto Android gets them an active ecosystem for free.

Cut the crap. There's no active eco system for Android. There is a big one for Maemo.

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