Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Oct 2008 10:37 UTC, submitted by John Mills
Mono Project The Mono project has released Mono 2.0. As most of you will know, Mono is an open-source implementation of Microsoft's .NET framework for Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, and other operating systems. The 2.0 release comes packed with new features, the main ones being the compiler upgrade to C# 3.0 with support for LINQ, as well as the inclusion of ADO.NET 2.0, ASP.NET 2.0 and System.Windows.Forms 2.0. The release notes detail all the changes and new features.
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RE[4]: Amazing
by lemur2 on Mon 6th Oct 2008 13:50 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Amazing"
lemur2
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2007-02-17

"The easy thing by far to do then is to avoid Mono like the plague, and don't use SuSe Linux.

Personally, with most GNOME distributions now including Mono applications (Tomboy notes, Banshee, F-Spot, Beagle search et al) by default, I'd make it even simpler and just use a KDE distribution.


Yeah, because there's just SO much precedent out there of Microsoft suing individuals or other companies for patent infringement.
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It is not the suing, I believe, that is Microsoft's interest here. Linux would just sue back, and no-one would win.

I would hazard a guess that Microsoft's primary interest is to keep alive the ability to make threats against Linux users (without any actual action), so as to be able to keep up a pretense that there is some legal liability in using Linux.

This is, after all, the entire bluster behind Ballmer's "undisclosed liability" nonsense.

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RE[5]: Amazing
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 6th Oct 2008 14:00 in reply to "RE[4]: Amazing"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

This is, after all, the entire bluster behind Ballmer's "undisclosed liability" nonsense.


If so, then why the hell does it matter if people use Mono, which is fully open source?

Look, big software companies like Microsoft, Apple, Novell, IBM, Sun, etc. will never start a patent infringement lawsuit on their own. In fact, they are always the target of patent lawsuits, but they never sue themselves.

The reason is simple. All of these big companies infringe on one anothers' patents, and they know it. Red Hat infringes on Microsoft patents, Microsoft infringes on Apple patents, Apple infringes on IBM's patents, and so on, and so forth.

It's like a house of cards. As soon as you take one card out, the entire house collapses. It would set s precedent, triggering a chain reaction of various big software companies litigating against one another over patent infringement. That, they really don't want. The reason Microsoft and similar companies don't sue individuals and smaller companies is that they KNOW full well that they themselves infringe on countless patents of other competitors.

The simple and obvious conclusion is that there is absolutely ZERO need to be afraid of patent infringement lawsuits from these big companies, and people saying that users and distributors of Mono are in danger of being sued by MS are plain old trolls.

Edited 2008-10-06 14:02 UTC

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RE[6]: Amazing
by lemur2 on Mon 6th Oct 2008 14:10 in reply to "RE[5]: Amazing"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

If so, then why the hell does it matter if people use Mono, which is fully open source?


With patents, the fact that mono is not a copyright violation of .NET is not the issue. The issue is that Windows,forms, ADO.NET and ASP.NET, which Mono 2.0 includes, are patent encumbered technologies.

You can violate a patent even if Mono is not a copy of .NET code.

Hence, you need a license, from Microsoft, to run anything which implements their patented technologies, including Windows.forms, ADO.NET and ASP.NET, even if Microsoft did not write the code.

AFAIK, Microsoft has given out such licenses only to Novell SLED, Xandros and Linspire.

Look, big software companies like Microsoft, Apple, Novell, IBM, Sun, etc. will never start a patent infringement lawsuit on their own. In fact, they are always the target of patent lawsuits, but they never sue themselves.


Agreed.

The entire point seems to be that Microsoft wish to continue making patent threat noises against Linux users, without ever actually suing, and trying to get Microsoft dependencies built in to the only distributions which they do not so threaten.

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