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OpenBSD The OpenBSD team has released OpenBSD 4.4. "As in our previous releases, 4.4 provides significant improvements, including new features, in nearly all areas of the system." Information on how you can obtain OpenBSD can be found on the OpenBSD website.
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RE: Another great release
by vegai on Sun 2nd Nov 2008 07:30 UTC in reply to "Another great release"
vegai
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2005-12-25

I already have this installed and kernel patched, and works great as usual. Includes preliminary support for UVC USB webcams and WPA/WPA2-PSK. With the intense quality of the OpenBSD releases, from the kernal, to the userland, and system utilities, even how simple it is get the source for X and build it, how is OpenBSD not the absolute king of open source operating systems??


Although I agree that OpenBSD is great, there are many reasons why one would rather have some Linux running.

NVidia and ATI. If you need extreme performance, you need the binary drivers that are only for Linux (and perhaps FreeBSD).

Another reason is package management. I don't know if this has changed for OpenBSD recently, but seems to me that they don't have a simple way to upgrade the whole system fast. You even said in your comment something about getting the sources of X and building them. Almost nobody wants to do that.

Then there's SMP. Almost all new machines have more than one core. How does OpenBSD handle that currently?

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RE[2]: Another great release
by omoerbeek on Sun 2nd Nov 2008 13:14 in reply to "RE: Another great release"
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2006-10-28


Although I agree that OpenBSD is great, there are many reasons why one would rather have some Linux running.

NVidia and ATI. If you need extreme performance, you need the binary drivers that are only for Linux (and perhaps FreeBSD).

Another reason is package management. I don't know if this has changed for OpenBSD recently, but seems to me that they don't have a simple way to upgrade the whole system fast. You even said in your comment something about getting the sources of X and building them. Almost nobody wants to do that.

Then there's SMP. Almost all new machines have more than one core. How does OpenBSD handle that currently?



Indeed, OpenBSD does not allow blobs for drivers. We are very firm about that, and for good reasons.

It's strange how people judge a system without actual experience. Since a couple of releases, upgrading packages is as simple as can be. The package system checks which packages are out of date and offers to upgrade them. This includes dependency checks and all that. Also, a lot of ports are available as pre-built packages.

Upgrading the base system always has been easy: boot install media an choose "upgrade".

Both i386 and amd64 (and sparc64 and macppc) have MP support. But multi threading is done in-process.

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RE[3]: Another great release
by vegai on Sun 2nd Nov 2008 13:27 in reply to "RE[2]: Another great release"
vegai Member since:
2005-12-25


Indeed, OpenBSD does not allow blobs for drivers. We are very firm about that, and for good reasons.


Sure, but reality being what it is... hopefully this won't be such an issue in the future.


Since a couple of releases, upgrading packages is as simple as can be. The package system checks which packages are out of date and offers to upgrade them. This includes dependency checks and all that. Also, a lot of ports are available as pre-built packages.


Good that they have finally fixed this. I will have to check this out.


Upgrading the base system always has been easy: boot install media an choose "upgrade".


That word, 'easy', I don't think it means what you think it means.

Seriously though, perhaps that is much more robust than what you get in most Linuxes, but I wouldn't call it easy. In here, we usually upgrade the whole system in a single command without needing to reboot.

But I'll see for myself.

Edited 2008-11-02 13:31 UTC

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