Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Sep 2005 19:40 UTC, submitted by _LH_
Mono Project The Mono guys got their software to run on Nokia's upcoming 770 Linux internet appliance. More here and a screenshot here.
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>The only way to know for sure would be to do a patent
>search, which is expensive.

OR you could do a Google search for ".NET patent" which is free and takes 0.38 seconds.

http://www.google.com/search?q=.NET+patent

This would lead you to: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-984052.html -- ".Net patent could stifle standards effort"

The article links to a patent application entitled "Application program interface for network software platform", which seems reference such obscure things as System.Collections, System.Net.Sockets, System.Windows.Forms.

Well that was hard. Perhaps someone from Novell, preferable a patent lawyer, could address this patent application and how it affects Mono.

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*PING*

No one from the Mono community has any comments on this?

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pinky Member since:
2005-07-15

let's try to give an answere, even if it doesn't make sense to answere the same questions again and again.

Let's focus on one example you have mentioned: System.Collections

First let me say that we are talking about software patents. Software patents has nothing to do with a specific implementation, software patents covers ideas completely independent from implementations, implementations are covered by copyright.

So look at System.Collections that are all basic things: lists, bit-arrays, hash-tables, and so on. Let's assume that MS has used a great idea to implement the System.Collections.Stack and have a patent on this idea. The Mono guys have implemented a System.Collections.Stack too without looking at the MS code. So we have two options:

1. They have implemented the "MS idea" which is patented.
2. They have implemented the stack by avoiding the "MS idea"

If option 2 is true we are done, no problem.
If option 1 is valid we have a problem if MS comes to us and says that we are using their patent. Than we have again two options:

1. We will find another way to implement the stack, than everything is fine.
2. We will not find another way to implement the stack.

If point 1 is true, the problem is solved.
If point 2 is true, we and all other programers have a problem. Because situation 2 would mean, that there is no way to implement a stack without violate a patent. This would mean that every stack, never mind if he is implemented in c#, python, c c++, java or any other language would violate the MS patent.

I hope you can see the point. In all the .Net libs there is nothing which is that new that there was nothing comparable in other language/toolkit libs. So either there is a way around the patent, you can contest the patent or everyone who do the same thing violate the patent.
And beside this few MS patents there are thousends of other patents were you have exactly the same problem.

Yes, it's a crappy situation but that's the situation for every programmer if he writes more than just a "hello-world-app" whether he uses c#, java, c++, c or any other language.

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If google doesn't find any result for search "Python patent" it doesn't mean patent-safe Python.

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