Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 15th Feb 2009 14:24 UTC
A few months later than expected, Debian 5 has finally arrived with a bundle of new goodies: Java is finally in the Debian repositories thanks to IcedTea and OpenJDK; Firefox (rebranded as Iceweasel) is now at 3.0; and official live images are ready for our downloading pleasure. TuxRadar has a detailed look at Lenny along with an explanation from Steve McIntyre, the Debian Project Leader, on why it was delayed. Earlier this week, we already detailed the new features in Lenny.
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RE[10]: Congratulations are in order
by Anonymous Penguin on Tue 17th Feb 2009 10:19
in reply to "RE[9]: Congratulations are in order"
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I'm beginning to think that Ubuntu is the solution. Predictable LTS releases every two years, with the option to upgrade every six months should the need arise, with support for that non-LTS release being good through the next LTS.
To me this solution doesn't look much different than using Debian Stable and six months later using testing, should the need arise. With the difference that Debian fully supports each of its 23,000 packages.
And with the difference that every single Ubuntu release has had show-stopper bugs for me.
RE[11]: Congratulations are in order
by sbergman27 on Tue 17th Feb 2009 10:36
in reply to "RE[10]: Congratulations are in order"
Member since:2005-07-24
To me this solution doesn't look much different than using Debian Stable and six months later using testing, should the need arise.
Upgrading to a distro called "Testing" is just not appealing. I've been told by some that "Testing" is more stable than other distro's gold releases. I've been told by others that "Testing" is sometimes quite broken. No one, including Debian itself, is prepared to actually stand behind claims of Testing's stability.
I've not observed bugs that I would consider to be "show stopping" for my use case as XDMCP desktop server in my own use of Ubuntu. But I've also found that one can never judge a distro by personal testing. Once you have it on the server, and other people are using it in their business... that's when you find out about stuff you didn't know about before.
For example, for its entire life-cycle, Fedora 8 did not support more than 16 concurrent GDM sessions. That problem never actually got fixed. I think that the distro maintainers might have thought it was fixed. Or maybe they just forgot about it. I finally gave up and put my own ugly solution into place. Individual Fedora users no doubt had no idea that the problem ever existed.
Edited 2009-02-17 10:45 UTC
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2005-07-24
Workarounds for those particular examples, yes. But it doesn't really address the general issue. What if the shortcoming is in the version of Gnome or KDE?
My viewpoint is somewhat colored by the fact that I have about 75 desktop users who have the annoying habit of expecting things to work. In my work, I have used both CentOS, which is a lot like Debian in its "creakiness with stability", and the perpetually broken Fedora, which always has its own problems right out of the box. I'm beginning to think that Ubuntu is the solution. Predictable LTS releases every two years, with the option to upgrade every six months should the need arise, with support for that non-LTS release being good through the next LTS. And there is no denying that it inherits a healthy dose of Debian goodness; It combines some of the best things of all worlds, while somewhat minimizing the down sides of each. It's what I've been using on my own desktop for some time now, and I'm a big believer in eating my own dog food. The problem is that switching distros is a challenging proposition when you have 75 users and just only you to handle it. I can do it, of course. But Fedora has not been so annoying as to get me to do it yet. But I'm considering it for the XDMCP server upgrades planned for this Spring.
Edited 2009-02-17 08:56 UTC