Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Apr 2009 14:28 UTC, submitted by Moulinneuf
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Canonical, the company behind Ubuntu Linux, has struck back at claims made by Microsoft's Brandon LeBlanc about Windows' success in netbooks compared to Linux. Most of the claims made by LeBlanc are refuted quite accurately by Canonical's Chris Kenyon in a blog post titled "Microsoft, FUD and the netbook market".
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RE[4]: Now, be honest, please.
by Liquidator on Thu 9th Apr 2009 17:38 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Now, be honest, please."
Liquidator
Member since:
2007-03-04

I just found the driver on the Canon web site. To be honest, I hadn't searched it there. I found out the printer wasn't recognized, I searched on the web to see what other users had to say and I gave up.

Besides which I am still correct in saying that Linux supports more consumer hardware out of the box than Windows


YES, but who cares? I mean, in the end, what matters is being able to use your hardware, isn't it? If you have a driver, no matter if out of the box or from the manufacturer's web site, you can use your peripheral, and this is what you should focus your rationale on. With Linux, most of the time, if it's not out of the box, it's not available (well except for some Canon products ;) )

there is hardware which does not have Windows drivers


Ok, give me an example. I doubt this is a popular consumer product. No sensible company would sell a device that is pluggable into a PC and that doesn't support Windows.


Your individual anecdote doesn't make a case study, and it does neither refutes nor strengthens the claims that either Microsoft or Conanical are making.


Yes it does. It does because I'm not the only one. Take a look at the Hardware section of the Linux Questions forum. Thousands of other examples.

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

"there is hardware which does not have Windows drivers


Ok, give me an example. I doubt this is a popular consumer product. No sensible company would sell a device that is pluggable into a PC and that doesn't support Windows.
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I never said "consumer" specifically, but as you mention it, a lot of "older" printers & scanners from HP, Canon & Epson (amongst others) are unsupported and will remain so, as the printer driver model was changed in Vista. I also own an Aureal Vortex sound card which isn't supported in anything newer than Windows 2k yet will work perfectly fine out of the box in any recent Linux distribution. You might say that this is unfair as Aureal have been out of business for a decade but it works in Linux but not Windows, and it's still a darn good card.

On the non-consumer front there are very few HPC devices (I.e. interconnect cards) which even entertain the notion of supporting Windows.

"Your individual anecdote doesn't make a case study, and it does neither refutes nor strengthens the claims that either Microsoft or Conanical are making.


Yes it does.
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No. No it really doesn't. There are just as many, if not more, people who have no problems at all with hardware support in Linux. The difference is they don't post about it online, because they have no need to do so.

Edited 2009-04-09 17:56 UTC

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RE[5]: Now, be honest, please.
by lemur2 on Fri 10th Apr 2009 06:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Now, be honest, please."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Ok, give me an example. I doubt this is a popular consumer product. No sensible company would sell a device that is pluggable into a PC and that doesn't support Windows.


There are a lot of devices still in use today that no company still sells today. In fact, the majority of working devices probably fit into that description.

Vista and Windows 7 use a different driver model than XP does, so that having an XP driver available for a device is not good enough if your machine is vista or Windows 7.

There is no money to be made, and no motivation, for a company to write a new Vista/Windows 7 driver for a device they no longer sell.

Ergo, most devices still in use, that were out of production when Vista came out, and hence have only an XP driver, now are devices that don't support Windows. That is to say, if you buy a new Windows machine, your device won't work with it because there is no driver.

Edited 2009-04-10 06:09 UTC

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