Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th May 2009 14:23 UTC, submitted by hotice
KDE While most people focus on Microsoft Office and OpenOffice.org as being each other's competitors, there's a third player in this market: KOffice. While KOffice is obviously geared towards use on KDE, it's available for Windows, Mac OS X, and GNOME-based distributions as well, making it much more platform-independent than Microsoft's Office suite. Version 2.0.0 was released today, and comes with a whole boatload of improvements.
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RE[3]: Comment by dagw
by lemur2 on Fri 29th May 2009 09:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by dagw"
lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

"Apparently you missed it.

Well no I've actually used all the betas, as I've been following the development of koffice for a long time. I had forgotten that they'd already had a release candidate, but my point still stands.
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How does it still stand?

Your point was some weird murmuring about how they should have named a release candidate as a release candidate.

They did in fact do exactly that.

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RE[4]: Comment by dagw
by dagw on Fri 29th May 2009 11:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by dagw"
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

My point was that calling a product X.0 and then adding a footnote stating that it actually isn't ready for use does not in any way show that "they have learned from KDE4's mistake".

I still think they should have called this a release candidate, which is what it is.

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RE[5]: Comment by dagw
by boudewijn on Fri 29th May 2009 12:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by dagw"
boudewijn Member since:
2006-03-05

But it _is_ ready for use by the target group: developers (the platform is already being used to build a mindmapping application, a geolocation aware plugin, someone is using it for their thesis work, all outside KOffice). For that target group, we needed a release. For that target group, a .0 release is very relevant.

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RE[5]: Comment by dagw
by lemur2 on Fri 29th May 2009 12:47 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by dagw"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

My point was that calling a product X.0 and then adding a footnote stating that it actually isn't ready for use does not in any way show that "they have learned from KDE4's mistake".

I still think they should have called this a release candidate, which is what it is.


FFS, give it up already.

Every program undergoing a major rewrite has a ".0" version that doesn't yet implement full functionality. Every single one.

Even bloody GNOME 2.0 ... no bloody audio, and lots else missing besides.

http://www.osnews.com/story/1280/A_User_s_First_Look_at_GNOME_2_0

Got it yet?

Sheesh!

http://www.osnews.com/story/1280/A_User_s_First_Look_at_GNOME_2_0/p...

"I usually start my reviews with the positive points of a product and then continue with whatever I found as 'bad'. In this case, I just can't hide my dissapointment about the new version of Gnome. As a user, I expected more, and I want more. The new version removes the flexibility found on Gnome 1.x and it does not introduce anything really new or spectacularly interesting in its UI design. Gnome 2 fails to impress. It is not intuitive. It feels limited and not done yet. While it is not solidly stable yet on all of its respects, it is stable enough. But the 'not done yet' refers to the feature-set of the environment, not to its actual stability. It needs more work, it needs more enrichment at most places, and it needs even more refinement on the GUI and its scattered setting panels or on the small icons feeling 'glued' to the text on the menus. Because of this re-write of the Gnome environment, I keep feeling that this is version 1.0, and not 2.0."

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RE[5]: Comment by dagw
by lemur2 on Fri 29th May 2009 13:05 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by dagw"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"stating that it actually isn't ready for use"


It rather depends what you mean by "ready for use", doesn't it?

In less than 20 seconds, I had started Karbon14, drawn a yellow star, and saved it as a SVG file, and exited the application. Ten seconds later I had navigated to the file in Dolphin, and had opened it in Firefox and Gwenview and also re-opened it in Karbon14, which AFAIK is the only native Qt application which lets me do that (make .svg files).

http://ourlan.homelinux.net/qdig/KDE4_desktop/star.svg

(You won't be able to see that in IE).

This is beyond the capabilities of OpenOffice draw.

KDE4 icons are .svg files.

If I am a developer, and I want to make .svg files for my KDE4 project ... I could use Inkscape or SK1 (which are GTK applications) ... or I could use Karbon14 (a native Qt application, remember).

I then edited my .svg file and put a red smiley face inside the yellow star (OK ... so I'm not an artist ... is that a crime?)

http://ourlan.homelinux.net/qdig/KDE4_desktop/smiley-star.svg

So it does have uses, and it is perfectly stable enough.

It just isn't yet full-featured enough to recommend for general use.

Edited 2009-05-29 13:14 UTC

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