Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 4th Jun 2009 22:34 UTC
Opera Software Opera have announced the release of Opera 10 beta. New engine, new features, but I'm more concerned about where Opera 10 fits into Opera's history, and certainly their future. Opera have never made any massive strides in marketshare and is Opera 10 really going to change any of that? Read More to find out.
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mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

The review should be based on the default look; if the default look is crap, then quite frankly, it doesn't matter how much you protest as to the virtues of customisation, they're crap defaults. Opera should go back and ask themselves whether their defaults take into account the requirements of the vast majority of end users.

When I install something, I expect it to work out of the box with sane defaults; I don't expect to have to for the next half hour having to fumble around in settings trying to get the damn thing working at least in some sort of logical manner.

so basically, you expected a cross platform program to have the GUI and default behavior from your favorite OS guidelines?

if the GUI is a "total fail" on a mac, how about on windows xp? windows vista/7? linux in a kde session? linux in a gnome/gtk session?

and majority of end users of opera are on ...mac?

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kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

so basically, you expected a cross platform program to have the GUI and default behavior from your favorite OS guidelines?


I never said anything of the sort. I stated that it should have sane defaults - I never claimed that it had to follow a particular set of guidelines. I also never said that there was anything wrong with Opera - did you see me mention Opera in the first part? of course not, because it was a generalised statement applicable to all pieces of software and how they are reviewed.

if the GUI is a "total fail" on a mac, how about on windows xp? windows vista/7? linux in a kde session? linux in a gnome/gtk session?

and majority of end users of opera are on ...mac?


Qt is a multiplatform tool kit, nothing has ever stopped Opera from having different front ends using Qt for each platform, taking into account the unique way of doing things. Considering that there is separation between the backend code and the front end - there should be no reason why they can't have multiple front ends based on the same toolkit.

But as I said in the reply to the first paragraph, I am asking for sane defaults; it isn't my fault you made the leap of faith assuming that I wanted something that I never stated I wanted.

Edited 2009-06-05 19:51 UTC

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mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

you never said anything of the sort?

you said,


More of the same. The black bar across the top is overbearing. It wouldn’t be so bad if the small grey gradient wasn’t there to make it look like a vacuum-formed chunk of plastic running across the top of the browser. It wouldn’t even look so bad if the black was matte. The tip of the tabs resting against the edge of the title bar is unnerving. Since Leopard, most apps have moved to the unified toolbar approach, and frankly, Opera looks distinctly out of place. The top of the browser is too heavy, and compared to other browsers, I find my gaze pulled upwards too often.


basically, you are saying the GUI looks foreign on a mac




It’s not just the toolbar, the quirky way of doing anything pervades every dialogue. This, for example, is a disaster of bad design, and doesn’t follow the layout guidelines in the Apple HIG (Apple do follow the layout guidelines and they do matter):

criticizing operas option layout because they dont apple's HIG here

you also said


Since Leopard, most apps have moved to the unified toolbar approach, and frankly, Opera looks distinctly out of place. The top of the browser is too heavy, and compared to other browsers, I find my gaze pulled upwards ..


again, criticizing a cross platform app because it isnt build to your os of choice default behavior

you are asking for sane defaults that will make it look like a native app on a mac. In your comment, you seem to advocating opera having different GUI in different systems so that it can have a default sane look on your system of choice.

Some people may see this as a good idea, some wont because of the spacial memory thing. I mean would you like the same app to look and behave different across different systems?

There is always a penalty in building cross platform apps. Look at google, they decided to go with native code for their web browser and linux and mac versions are at an alpha stage at best

Edited 2009-06-05 21:46 UTC

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