Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 30th Jun 2009 15:56 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones As was anticipated, the boys and girls at Mozilla have released the final build of Firefox 3.5 today. Firefox 3.5 - originally supposed to be 3.1 - comes with many welcome improvements, chief among which is support for HTML5 audio and video tags.
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Wrawrat
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2005-06-30

I think you’re forgetting that Firefox is the second most used browser, period. This matters to 25% of the world, and over 50% in some countries. Safari has a few meager percentage points. There will be more people using Theora by the end of this week, then people use Safari.


Actually, they won't be using Theora: they will use a browser that can decode the few Theora videos around. Just as MP3 is still thriving even when far superior codecs exist (Vorbis), I don't expect to see Theora supplant proprietary/patented codecs powered by Flash soon. Not even in 5 years.

While Firefox might matter to 25% of the world, don't forget that other 70% taken by another browser that shall remain nameless. It might lose market share everyday, but it won't be away soon. Likewise, most people are slow upgraders, so I don't expect that Theora video will be vieweable (and therefore relevant) by 15% of the Internet users until a year or two.

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sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

Likewise, most people are slow upgraders, so I don't expect that Theora video will be vieweable (and therefore relevant) by 15% of the Internet users until a year or two.

IE users are slow upgraders. IIRC, the statistics show FF users to be much quicker upgraders. And users of truly modern browsers, based on Webkit, likely upgrade with even more alacrity.

Edited 2009-07-01 03:30 UTC

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Likewise, most people are slow upgraders, so I don't expect that Theora video will be vieweable (and therefore relevant) by 15% of the Internet users until a year or two.
IE users are slow upgraders. IIRC, the statistics show FF users to be much quicker upgraders. And users of truly modern browsers, based on Webkit, likely upgrade with even more alacrity. "

Firefox 3 overtook Firefox 2 within a week.

I don't expect any different for Firefox 3.5 overtaking Firefox 3 ... it really is such a worthwhile upgrade.

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Actually, they won't be using Theora: they will use a browser that can decode the few Theora videos around.

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I don't expect to see Theora supplant proprietary/patented codecs powered by Flash soon


Dailymotion is busily re-encoding videos as we speak.

http://www.reelseo.com/dailymotion-support-open-video-formats/9221/

"Dailymotion will actually re-encode pre-existing inventory on the site to Ogg to make it all fully compliant with the Open Video standard and HTML 5 video tag. that’s a heck of a lot of work if you think about it. They state they will have around 300,000 Ogg videos done by the end of the 3rd quarter this year."


I have heard it said that Youtube is at least looking at a similar effort.

BTW: H264 is patented, and it charges royalties, and the owners of the h264 patents have reportedly announced a plan to increase the royalties they are asking by some "massive" amount.

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/google-dailymotion-...

Another video titan that is fighting back against plugin prisons is DailyMotion. The popular streaming video website has launched an open video pilot program, providing a new beta version of its site that uses the HTML 5 video element to play content. As part of the pilot program, DailyMotion reencoded 300,000 videos with the open source Ogg Theora codec.


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Wrawrat Member since:
2005-06-30

Dailymotion is busily re-encoding videos as we speak.


Well, that's a single video provider among thousands. It will add Theora media on the Web, but it doesn't make it relevant yet. Futhermore, encoding media from a degraded version (e.g. not from the source) is just a bad idea.

Now that you mentioned it, it wouldn't surprise me if YouTube does a similar move, but only because they are owned by Google.

Nevertheless, that doesn't change my conclusion. Until that other browser support the <video> tag and the Ogg codecs (remember they are not a part of HTML5), Theora might stay as an alternative, but definitely not as a replacement of proprietary/patented codecs.

BTW: H264 is patented, and it charges royalties, and the owners of the h264 patents have reportedly announced a plan to increase the royalties they are asking by some "massive" amount.


My master thesis will deal with H.264, so I'm well aware of its status... That said, the current royalties are quite fair. Sure, they don't fit with open/free cooperation, but it's far from being a ripoff. That said, I didn't heard of such plan. Link to back this? Otherwise, it sounds like FUD, like that other company with that other browser like to do.

By the way, I'm all for Theora and Vorbis... My music collection is using Vorbis and it could be interesting to work with Theora once my thesis is over. I just don't believe the hype.

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