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> You however chose to insult people you percieve to
> be from the other camp (what a childish notion
> btw.) and call the author of the article names.

Ralph, listen.

I am thankful that you confirm my creditibility in terms of GNOME and appreciate that you play fair with my skills and knowledge related to GNOME.

But please also understand that I dislike being called an shizophreniac, paranoid or even idiot. No one has the right to do this, no matter if his name is rm9660 or whatever and no matter if he is right with his 'other' (pay attention to other) arguments or not.

He, and this was my main concerns, could have expressed his opinion without using such terms and words. I have no problems being proven wrong or being told that my sights are different than his' but then I expect people to reply in a normal way.

Sure you can expect me to say that GNOME in general is a bad community. What do you expect me to say if all I get are comments like 'you are a troll, you are an idiot, you are a shizzophreniac, you are a paranoid'. I ignore every further writings of anyone as soon as I start reading such offending stuff. This is not necessary and wrong.

I am also not on a vendetta or something (I wonder where you get that from) and it's also not my very personal secret that the behavior of certain GNOME followers/developers/users aren't really clean or nice towards others. I feel sad to pull everyone over the same comb but do people leave me a choice ? As you can read within the first 20 comments given here, that my replies are quite normal, nonoffensive and noninsulting. And I haven't called rm6990 by names since I don't know his name. I do know the one from youknowmewell who did namecalling me in regular basis to discredit me in the public.

You can be sure that I feel not really happy working on GNOME related projects, code, contributions, bugreports - for what ? For people like him who are quite unthankful ?

That's why I keep saying that the KDE community is quite the oposite to the experience that I made with the GNOME community. If it was really me (the evil person) then by now I would have problems with everyone on this globe which of course isn't realistic. But I am stuck in problems of course - by the amount of dirt people seem to be carrying towards me and my person.

So what did I do to the youknowmewell guy that I deserve being called by names ? All he did and all I know about him was that he contributed one Clearlooks theme and that was all about it. While I kept working my ass off on GNOME related projects, even talking to the US Gnome-Foundation guy supporting german Gnome E.V. due to problems given by two deams, playing the judge. Even for having done this I got flamed ahead. Not one thank you nothing.

It is my right (even if it's extreme) to criticise this. Tim Buttler is no unknown and I haven't called him names to defamate him or something. My comments geared towards him was normal, correct, like hey mr. Tim Buttler, you are supporting a community, do you know what this community is up about ? I didn't said you are a shizzo or paranoic to him.

Do you see and understand the difference here ? I think at an age of mid 30 you seem to see things with diferent eyes as I am doing it, there are huge differences if some 15y.o. kid is replying to someone calling you a shizzo or if you are trying to have a halfway mature comment.

Personally I have no problems with GNOME nor do I have problems with KDE as Desktop Environment. But then I also believe, that if you want to improve something that you need to be able to say something as well. To change something you need to convince people, to change something you need to be vocal. Without changes nothing will become better. Tim Buttler can write about licensing issues, it's his good right and on his site that he pays on his own pockets he can write whatever he wants. But then he also should know what he is supporting.

You know licenses are only one part of an movement. Getting people involved and interested is another part of an movement. Getting people to contribute something is an dirty hard work to do. My personal opinion is that a license issue is just a political thing. I don't care whether QT is licenses BSD, MIT, GPL, LGPL or whatever since I don't feel affected. Trolltech has been hiring a lot of wonderful KDE developers, really skilled ones, magicans on their own. Matthias Ettrich and Zack Rusin only to name some (and I name them here because I have high opinions about them, not because I want to defamate them - only to clear this up in case it's put in the wrong throath again).

Those people have a high influense on KDE, Trolltech and they all keep working on cool stuff, cool technology. I have never and in no time gotten any shits from KDE people. They are a funny community, sure the one or other word may be thrown the one or other day because people might been having a stressing day at work etc. But the communities are by far too different.

The only conversation going on here and all the time is GNOME vs. KDE, QPL vs. LGPL, GPL vs. YOURMOM and so on. And people seem to forget that not only the license matters, also the community you want to put in the bright light. What benefits does the LGPL for GNOME have if it's impossible for any new user to contribute to it. Have you looked at the majority of GNOME modules ChangeLogs for example, you keep seeing the same names over and over which clearly explains that they are not interested for having help, no interested for having other peoples opinion, for making things become better, for changes.

That's why I felt pissed off about this article saying again "ohhh GNOME is soo GOOD because of it's license and all companies jump on it". Nice do so if this is the case, then be it that way. Personally for me humanity and cool community is more important than any license wannabe issues.

Now if this QT vs. GTK+ thing would be a new issues.. but it isn't I think by now the entire Linux, Open Source world has enough of this bullshit wannabe nonexisting issue. If you nail your desktop experience on the license then something is wrong. I personally nail my desktop experience on the desktop itself and the community around it.