Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Jul 2009 12:13 UTC
Microsoft With Apple doing really, really well, and with Microsoft having its first sets of negative figures since the company's founding, Microsoft CEO points his arrows towards Cupertino. In a talk to members of the press and analyst community, Ballmer talked about Microsoft vs. Apple.
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by deathshadow on Fri 31st Jul 2009 15:00 UTC
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EVERY time I hear people touting Apple for 'high quality' I end up knee-jerking into the same reaction...

WHAT ****** QUALITY?!?!? Lands sake do we live on different planets or something?

Ooh look it's shiny, but it's the same damned parts inside everyone else uses... and frankly shiny only gets you so damned far. Razor thin metal that provides little or no REAL protection to the display or boards? (I'd rather have the plastic!) Power connectors that won't even stay plugged in and have the habit of fraying and catching fire, selling 256K color displays as truecolor, and frankly they wouldn't know proper cooling if it stripped naked, painted itself purple and hopped up on a table singing "Oh look at what proper ventilation I am"

Foxconn motherboards, Samsung memory and drives, yeah, I'm so impressed...

... and the real kicker is the BALLS they have in upcharging for the SAME parts - parts you can even look up the price of. It takes balls of thunder for the upgrade markup that makes other vendors price-gouging look outright conservative. $100 over the price of a 160 gig drive to go from 160 to 320, when the products have a street price of $45 and $70 respectively.... 100 bucks to go from a 640 gig hard drive to 1tb, street price of a 1tb as SLOW as theirs being under $80... or worse really giant brass monkey balls to charge a grand for 4 gigs of DDR3/1066.

Back on the subject of quality, remember we're talking about the company that put full PCMCIA hardware in place, hid it under the keyboard and disabled power to half the bus so they could make it 'proprietary' - the company that underclocked G3's and G4's 50% or more so they could run them without ANY form of cooling worth mention in the iBooks - always loved that hole the G3/266's would burn clear through the dialup adapter... How about using cermet capacitors instead of fuses so you had to replace a whole board when the power connector shorted since the external hockey pucks didn't even provide regulated power? Swapping the cable select line with master so you could only use their optical drives (unless you had hands steady enough to short the two lines together), touting itself as a multimedia company then putting glorified piezo buzzers into their craptops? How about having to issue warnings because the macbooks are not laptops and should never be used on your lap? (yeah, that's quality engineering) How about their flat out ignoring MBP's that come from the factory with display striping issues and in many cases refusing replacement? (which under the hood is they didn't plug the damned ribbon cable into the display properly!)

Because when I think quality - I think Apple - NOT. Their track record is rubbish, their current line is even bigger rubbish - Where the bloody blue HELL do people get this impression of quality?!?

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RE: Gah
by dagw on Fri 31st Jul 2009 16:59 in reply to "Gah"
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Their track record is rubbish, their current line is even bigger rubbish - Where the bloody blue HELL do people get this impression of quality?!?

Packaging and presentation. Everything about Apple computers just says quality. The sleek stores, the design of the packaging, the case and layout of the components. It just feels like a high quality luxury product.

The fact that this is all smoke and mirrors and that their actual hardware is as mediocre as most others is neither here nor there. It's all in presentation.

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by deathshadow on Fri 31st Jul 2009 18:23 in reply to "RE: Gah"
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Packaging and presentation.

Which has NOTHING to blow my skirt up.

The sleek stores

50 cent a yard wall to wall carpeting with white laminate furniture that looks like it came from walmart and goes together with a hex wrench does NOT impress me, much less feel like 'luxury'. The apple stores have all the 'luxury' of your average Hospital waiting room.

the design of the packaging, the case and layout of the components. It just feels like a high quality luxury product.

Funny, to me it feels like all the aesthetic sense of a hospital ward. Bland glossy whites and aluminum/brushed steel finishes, I'm looking around for the doctor with the giant needle.

So I don't understand that aspect of it either... They want to make me feel like luxury how about some dark mahoganies and cherries, plush Victorian loungers, green marble counter-tops.

I shouldn't go into the place and feel like some creepy guy is slapping on a rubber glove and asking if my movements are normal... which oddly is exactly what happens when they tell you the price.

But what do I know, I consider Kobe beef to be rancid swill and will take a good domestic T-bone instead any day... I consider Ikea furniture to be rinky overpriced crap, I'll take stuff from the natural wood furniture store around the corner any day... and I'm actually smart enough to know the Prius actually does more environmental damage than a Hummer.

Edited 2009-07-31 18:29 UTC

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by FishB8 on Fri 31st Jul 2009 17:24 in reply to "Gah"
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Ditto. I don't get the whole "hardware quality" bit.

Some of the crappiest hardware I've come across has Apple's logo on it.

Apple does a good job of ensuring that their hardware integrates well with each other and their OS, but try to interconnect their hardware outside of the apple bubble and it just falls apart. (Their support for EDID in their display devices is TERRIBLE)

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