Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Nov 2009 13:20 UTC, submitted by SReilly
Gnome As most of you will know, the GNOME team is hard at work on GNOME 3.0, the first major overhaul of the platform since 2002. The release of GNOME 3.0 was originally planned for March 2010, but it has now been pushed back for six months to September 2010.
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RE[7]: Comment by lithium
by KugelKurt on Wed 11th Nov 2009 18:24 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Comment by lithium"
KugelKurt
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2005-07-06

Users usually acquire their desktop environment from distributors. It's the distributor's responsibility to only ship software that is "ready".
No matter what the release announcements from KDE.org say: Distributors need to do their own testing. They need to follow mailing lists, They need to follow dot.kde.org.

And even if KDE 4.0 had been marked as beta, what would have been the difference? At least Ubuntu and AFAIK also Fedora shipped a beta release of Firefox 3.0 as default browser.
Pretty much every current mainstream distro ships only the current beta of Thunderbird, instead of the stable 2.0 one.
PulseAudio never really worked well, hence it has a 0.x version number. Still, every distro ships it (openSUSE 11.2 disables PA for KDE, though).

So if you want to bitch against someone, bitch against the distributors who have bad or no quality assurance.

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RE[8]: Comment by lithium
by sbergman27 on Wed 11th Nov 2009 18:29 in reply to "RE[7]: Comment by lithium"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

And even if KDE 4.0 had been marked as beta, what would have been the difference? At least Ubuntu and AFAIK also Fedora shipped a beta release of Firefox 3.0 as default browser.

I'm not a big Mozilla fan. But they do, at least, have a better project management track record than KDE. And Fedora will ship anything, as long as it passes the "Oooh! Shiny!" test.

Edited 2009-11-11 18:31 UTC

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RE[9]: Comment by lithium
by KugelKurt on Wed 11th Nov 2009 20:09 in reply to "RE[8]: Comment by lithium"
KugelKurt Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm not a big Mozilla fan. But they do, at least, have a better project management track record than KDE.

If that was true, Thunderbird 3.0 would have been released in Summer 2008, along with Firefox 3.0.
The current TB3 betas are nothing but an unstable port of TB2 to the latest Gecko. The only new features are quick account setup and tabs.
No switch to SQLite (still using Mork), no Exchange compatibility, no overhaul of the address book, Lightening pretty much dead as well, etc.

The last TB maintainers were arrogant d*ckheads who never ever listened to users' requests. Then they left Mozilla, and TB laid dormant, only getting Gecko fixes that were developed for Firefox.
To ensure the Gecko 1.9.x port, TB had to be spun off to a new development organization (Mozilla Messaging).

During the same time, KDE developed a whole new PIM framework (Akonadi), did a major overhaul of KMail's message view (incl. tabs, btw), completely rewrote the address book (done, to be released with KDE 4.4), rewrote the RSS reader (only slightly missed the feature freeze deadline, so to be released with 4.5), etc.

Better project management than KDE? Yeah, right...

And Fedora will ship anything, as long as it passes the "Oooh! Shiny!" test.

Indeed. And every other distro didn't force anyone towards KDE 4.0. They either stayed with 3.5 exclusively or offered both. Every sane distro (like openSUSE) made it very clear that 3.5 was more mature at that time.

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