Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Dec 2009 19:29 UTC
Internet & Networking You thought the whole browser ballot thing in Windows was behind us, right? That everybody was finally happy, so that we could continue doing what an overwhelming number of people have already done without a ballot screen - that is, install non-IE browsers? Not exactly. Opera, Mozilla, and Google still had complaints, which Microsoft addressed, making everybody happy.
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Ridiculous
by WereCatf on Fri 4th Dec 2009 19:38 UTC
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

"The biggest issue these three browser makers had with Microsoft's proposal was that by listing browsers alphabetically by vendor, Apple's Safari had an unfair advantage."

So, they basically claim that users can't go past the first entry and will by default click on whatever is the first one? That's ridiculous, and they are sending a message that they think end-users aren't much smarter than a bunch of monkeys. How wonderful. Besides, having things in alphabetical order is what people expect and are used to. Having them in a random order just gives very poor image of both Microsoft and all the browsers in the list.

And most of all...how does this make the life easier for the end-user? This should be all about end-user and their computing experience, NOT about market share!

"On top of that, under pressure from the three browser makers, Microsoft has agreed to remove the Internet Explorer logo from the ballot screen. It was said that the recognisability of the IE logo would give an unfair advantage to Internet Explorer."

This too is nothing more than nitpicking. Yes, plain, simple nitpicking, with nothing of value for the end-user.

God I wish we lived in a world where people and their needs came first, then companies and the pockets full of money.

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RE: Ridiculous
by DeadFishMan on Fri 4th Dec 2009 21:08 in reply to "Ridiculous"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

"The biggest issue these three browser makers had with Microsoft's proposal was that by listing browsers alphabetically by vendor, Apple's Safari had an unfair advantage."

So, they basically claim that users can't go past the first entry and will by default click on whatever is the first one? That's ridiculous, and they are sending a message that they think end-users aren't much smarter than a bunch of monkeys. How wonderful.


To be honest, most people that I know really do not know anything about computers, panic immediately at any dialog window that appears and will click OK without thinking twice - not even reading the damn thing! - just to get rid of it as soon as possible and therefore it is very likely that whatever was selected as default in the said dialog really has the bigger chance of being selected by the majority of computer users. Heck, I have a friend who purchased a very expensive laptop mostly for Live Messenger chat, Facebook and to listen to music. She doesn't know how to watch DVDs nor even where her files are stored!

Now, I am not exactly saying that Apple is being given an unfair advantage here as I don't even think that it would be selected by default on the ballot but it is not hard to stretch a little bit the behavior described above so that these users would select ANYTHING - and hence, the first option no matter what - just to get rid of the dialog.

People DON'T read dialog windows at all. PERIOD. Those here that think otherwise are deluding themselves.

That's why I think that to randomize the list is the most fair approach to take, as far as this ballot nonsense goes.

Also, I really don't see support technicians getting confused with the random order on the ballot screen and if they do, they're REALLY lousy support technicians to begin with and probably have problems to keep their business afloat and nobody should shed a tear for them.

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by lord_rob on Sat 5th Dec 2009 11:40 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
lord_rob Member since:
2005-08-06

A good option would be using random order and putting a visible button to sort the list alphabetically IMHO.

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RE: Ridiculous
by larwilliams2 on Sat 5th Dec 2009 04:27 in reply to "Ridiculous"
larwilliams2 Member since:
2009-12-02

"The biggest issue these three browser makers had with Microsoft's proposal was that by listing browsers alphabetically by vendor, Apple's Safari had an unfair advantage."

So, they basically claim that users can't go past the first entry and will by default click on whatever is the first one? That's ridiculous, and they are sending a message that they think end-users aren't much smarter than a bunch of monkeys. How wonderful. Besides, having things in alphabetical order is what people expect and are used to. Having them in a random order just gives very poor image of both Microsoft and all the browsers in the list.

And most of all...how does this make the life easier for the end-user? This should be all about end-user and their computing experience, NOT about market share!

"On top of that, under pressure from the three browser makers, Microsoft has agreed to remove the Internet Explorer logo from the ballot screen. It was said that the recognisability of the IE logo would give an unfair advantage to Internet Explorer."

This too is nothing more than nitpicking. Yes, plain, simple nitpicking, with nothing of value for the end-user.

God I wish we lived in a world where people and their needs came first, then companies and the pockets full of money.

Most aren't smarter than a bunch of monkeys LOL

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RE: Ridiculous
by Karitku on Sat 5th Dec 2009 12:46 in reply to "Ridiculous"
Karitku Member since:
2006-01-12

Captain America to rescue!
Hey couldn't we sue Opera and others for insulting our intelligency? Atleast in USA it should be possible.

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RE: Ridiculous
by jthomas on Sat 5th Dec 2009 18:02 in reply to "Ridiculous"
jthomas Member since:
2006-09-03

>they think end-users aren't much smarter than a bunch of monkeys.


actually, IE actual share seems demostrate this..

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RE[2]: Ridiculous
by WereCatf on Sat 5th Dec 2009 18:28 in reply to "RE: Ridiculous"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

actually, IE actual share seems demostrate this.

Laziness doesn't equal stupidity; most regular end-users find IE's features all they need and it's already there, so it's an obvious choice them. And you know, there's nothing wrong with that. If it fills their needs then it fills their needs, no point in trying to find something else which does exactly the same.

Also, knowledge doesn't equal smarts; most regular end-users don't know of the security issues in earlier IE versions (I've heard IE8 is a lot more secure nowadays, haven't verified it myself) and thus you can't blame them for that. Not everyone is interested in knowing about the innards of a browser and everything it involves.

Oh, and did you know that the higher you ride on a high horse the easier it is to drop you from there?

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