Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 29th Jan 2010 22:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless During the iPad presentation, I was rather perplexed by Apple's claim to be the largest mobile device company in the world. Apparently, I wasn't the only one scratching his head, as Nokia itself, and even the Financial Times, is calling Apple out on its juggling with figures and definitions.
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A laptop is a device designed to run on a battery and be moved around. Just like a MP3 player and a cell phone. Why shouldn't they be considered mobile devices?

Because by that definition, we should include cars as well. They run on a battery and can be moved around. There we have it: Toyota is larger than Sony, Nokia, and Apple combined.

The thing here is that traditionally, laptops are not included in the definition, and the reasons for that are obvious: is a laptop closer to a computer, or to a cell phone?

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JonathanBThompson Member since:

And another inappropriate car analogy comes out! YAY!

Seriously: by the same logic you're using, the earth is mobile, because it moves in terms of rotating while also orbiting the sun, which also is moving throughout the galaxy, which is then, at the next level of scale, moving throughout the universe!

"Mobile" in practical relation to humans means: something *A* human can carry reasonably enough without assistance, and isn't location-dependent in any meaningful way, say, by needing to be plugged in. As such, a car of any type that can be transportation for one or more humans fails, but a bicycle can still qualify. Now, if we knew true giants, they just might consider a human-sized automobile.... a mobile device they can carry around, as a toy, like humans might also consider toy cars, because we can throw them in a bag, a box, or a pocket, or something reasonable to transport them, or just in a hand or two. So, while the word "automobile" in english denotes it's self-mobile, it still isn't a truly... mobile device by a human. Of course, no doubt you'll conclude I'm splitting hairs.

Just because Nokia wants to be overly restrictive in their definition of "Mobile electronic devices" does not make their rant valid against Apple stating their definition of the various devices they spelled out: this is purely a case of Nokia splitting hairs like you are, which only results in intellectual split-ends that are often best to cut off.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:

ust because Nokia wants to be overly restrictive

You're turning it around here. It's Apple whowants to be overly loose, just so they can make another nice PR claim. Which is fine - that's what companies do - but that doesn't make it right.

Mobile devices have been defined they way they have for a long time, and Nokia is right in pointing that out. I'm wondering if all the Apple fanatics, such as yourself, would've been arguing in favour of including laptops if it had helped Nokia become the largest mobile device maker instead of Apple. I'm pretty sure you'd all be arguing against including laptops.

You don't just change a definition willy-nilly to suit your PR purposes. Sure, a laptop is mobile, but arguing that a 17" MacBook Pro belongs in the same product category as an iPhone or Nokia 3310 "just because it's mobile" is idiotic, at best.

Edited 2010-01-30 09:35 UTC

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Chaos_One Member since:

No, cars move you around. Laptops, just like cell phone, can be picked up and used in any place you want to (within reason).

In the keynote Steve mentioned Sony's camcorders, he mentioned his laptops. I think he made it quite clear what he considers mobile devices.

I consider a mobile device an electronic device that can be picked up, moved and used in different places, inside and outside. I think we can agree that a car doesn't quite fit this definition.

If a laptop isn't a mobile device, then what is it? Wasn't the laptop born as a computer that wasn't stuck to a desk?

You should judge if a device is mobile or not based on what it is, not on some unofficial definition that mobile devices may not be laptops.

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