Linked by David Adams on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 08:37 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless While it's been a low-level grumbling for years, the issue of Flash on mobile devices (and particularly the iPhone/Touch/iPad ecosystem) has reached fever pitch over the past few weeks, with Steve Jobs as self-appointed Flash basher-in-Chief. The OSNews crowd, that is, dyed-in-the-wool technologists have, by and large, not been big fans of Flash, with its spotty availability and performance on alternative platforms, resource hogging, and instability. And though it's quite useful for web video and other specialized interfaces, it drives the tech savvy crazy when it's used for utterly superfluous multimedia bling. So we've had a lively discussion of the pros and cons of Flash, and whether device users should be free to make their own decision about whether it's worthy to install on their iPads. But we're leaving out an important detail. As Daniel Eran Dilger, a Flash developer, points out, almost all the important existing Flash infrastructure won't work anyway. Update: A worthwhile rebuttal to this point of view.
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Nice thought but...
by dgoemans on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 09:21 UTC
dgoemans
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2008-08-23

While i hate flash as much as the next developer ( and i really do ), the author of that post may not have used a mobile device with flash on it. It works, and it works well. The HTC android phones like the Hero and Tattoo have flash already in browser, and it's barely noticeable. Fair enough, you're not going to be flash gaming much with them, but thats a game design issue or a flash app design issue, not an issue with the platform. It just means that flash developers are going to need to make better apps that work for touch screens. The platform works great, now it's the devs' turns. The ads are fully functional, galleries are fine and the movies work perfectly, so clearly flash is far from flawed on a touch screen device.

Furthermore, the iPad doesn't suffer from the same issue that mobiles have with flash, which is hardware specs. Small screen and slow processor could be a problem, but that's not really on a iPad.

My biggest worry is whether Apple will give Safari mobile and have you rendering crappy mobile pages at 1024x768 or have you using an in between version, which renders full size pages, which more often than not ( sadly ) use flash.

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RE: Nice thought but...
by darknexus on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 09:44 in reply to "Nice thought but..."
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Wasn't that the point? Flash itself may work but a lot of the UIs will need updating. I'm on the "let's get rid of Flash while we've got the chance" side of this whole thing for other reasons, namely that it's an accessibility nightmare largely for the same reason most Flash UIs are not ready for touch devices. The UIs are so mouse oriented that they're useless from the keyboard when, and it's very rare, you can actually get to the bloody controls with the keyboard in the first place.

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RE: Nice thought but...
by daveak on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 13:22 in reply to "Nice thought but..."
daveak Member since:
2008-12-29

My biggest worry is whether Apple will give Safari mobile and have you rendering crappy mobile pages at 1024x768 or have you using an in between version, which renders full size pages, which more often than not ( sadly ) use flash.


Drifting a little off topic, but if you get served up mobile pages when you don't want them then it is the site (not Apple) that is at fault for taking notice of the user agent string and playing games. I usually hate being redirected to mobile sites on my iPhone. I want the normal standard site thank you very much.

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RE: Nice thought but...
by WorknMan on Mon 22nd Feb 2010 18:13 in reply to "Nice thought but..."
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

The ads are fully functional, galleries are fine and the movies work perfectly, so clearly flash is far from flawed on a touch screen device.


Ahhh, glad the ads are fully functional. Wouldn't want to go without seeing those ;)

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