Linked by Kroc Camen on Thu 25th Feb 2010 10:18 UTC
Humor BBC News reports "Mark your diaries for 4 March because in Denver the funeral arrangements are well underway for the planned passing that day of Internet Explorer 6". There's a phobia of being buried alive but I think in this case, it's the living that are all too quick to be shoveling the dirt over as IE6 doesn't officially die until 2014 when Microsoft pull the life-support.
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RE[4]: I like IE6, really
by Luke8844 on Thu 25th Feb 2010 21:39 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: I like IE6, really"
Luke8844
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2010-02-25

Right, but you were the one who raised the subject of text-mode browsers, something virtually useless on the internet today (if still occasionally useful for reading HTML-formatted log/report files over an SSH connection).


Yes I did bring them into it - but the point I was trying to make (not perhaps expressed very well) was about loss of diversity, and whether the only "acceptable" clients on the web are those that support all the latest revisions of the standards.

[...] These days, it's share is small enough that it's just not worth the huge extra effort to support it.


If by that you mean its not worth implementing some particular features to support IE6 as such, I might probably agree. But I'm not sure I relish a web where you have to support every aspect of CSS version N (for some value of N). Why do we still use HTML heading and link tags, when each site can implement its own styling and interaction? Has javascript now become mandatory to view the web? Not yet, but maybe soon.

It seems the loss of client diversity, and a shift towards layout-focussed approaches could become a reason to add more and more complexity to the browser space. I hearby evoke the spirit of Tim Berners-Lee (my selective reading of his vision anyway!)

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RE[5]: I like IE6, really
by Delgarde on Thu 25th Feb 2010 22:39 in reply to "RE[4]: I like IE6, really"
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Has javascript now become mandatory to view the web? Not yet, but maybe soon.


Define 'view the web'? For static content, perhaps not - a page for an open-source project say, with documentation, screenshots, info for developers. Gnome.org or KDE.org, for example. Such sites can, and generally do, get by without scripting.

But the web isn't just static content, and hasn't been for a long time now. Can you really picture a Facebook-like site implemented without scripting? Or compare GMail with some of the ghastly non-scripted webmail services of a decade ago.

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RE[6]: I like IE6, really
by Luke8844 on Thu 25th Feb 2010 23:07 in reply to "RE[5]: I like IE6, really"
Luke8844 Member since:
2010-02-25

Define 'view the web'? For static content, perhaps not - a page for an open-source project say, with documentation, screenshots, info for developers. Gnome.org or KDE.org, for example. Such sites can, and generally do, get by without scripting.


I agree - by "view the web" I mean can you take your browser onto the web and generally (1) read content on servers (2) navigate between servers (3) optionally view some media along the way. I don't think I should expect a pixel-perfect rendition of the content as it appears on the graphic designers photo-shop session.

But the web isn't just static content, and hasn't been for a long time now. Can you really picture a Facebook-like site implemented without scripting? Or compare GMail with some of the ghastly non-scripted webmail services of a decade ago.


Facebook is not part of the public web anyway - its a private gated community. It might almost as well be implemented in Flash.

Yes for web apps Javascript is a big bonus. But there are web email applications that don't require javascript, even if they aren't as flashy as Gmail.

I do acknowledge there is always a judgement call about when support for older clients should be phased out. But it is the fact that the web is a public content space that means we should keep accessibility in mind for longer than we might in other contexts.

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