Linked by kloty on Tue 6th Apr 2010 21:22 UTC
Editorial A few years ago I wrote on OSNews several articles (1,2) about workstations. After three years I had to stop, because there were no workstations left on the market, they became legacy and were not sold any more. Now with the rise of mobile devices with touchscreen and wireless network connectivity virtually everywhere, the question becomes valid, what will happen with the desktop computers, are they still needed, or will they follow the workstations on their way to computer museums?
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RE[3]: I don't think so
by woegjiub on Tue 6th Apr 2010 23:03 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I don't think so"
woegjiub
Member since:
2008-11-25

Games on PC are infinitely superior to their console counterparts.

They only require updating every 3 or 4 years, and already the PC offers far greater FPS and graphics than the PS3 is capable of.
I can't believe you're suggesting playing fallout3 on a console.
I have to install mods to make it playable, because the menu text is FRAKKIN MASSIVE to support console players.
With a Bethesda Softworks game, it's all about the mods; 25% of the experience is the 'core' game, the other 75% is made by modders. Consoles can't install mods, they can't use Wrye Bash to make them work together even if they could.... etc etc.

That, and it's impossible to play an FPS without a keyboard and mouse.
Gamepads are horrible.
Better graphics, proper controls, moddability, smoother gameplay, the ability to use the same device for advanced 3d rendering, modelling, image modification and creation... etc etc.
Honestly, consoles won't get my thumbs up until they are running a PC operating system (Linux?), still have the same ease of running games, but also support a keyboard/mouse and desktop software like openoffice, Inkscape and Emesene.

The desktop will eventually die, but it's going to be around for more than a decade - until we have neural links (these are being added to compiz :p), like say.... the holobands of Caprica?, the keyboard and mouse reigns supreme for content creation.
Not to mention the desire for dual monitors.
There will probably always be the desire for localised computers which offer far superior power to the cloud solution, and greater security.
Desktops will fade, but I don't think we'll ever see them die - they'll simply be for extreme power users.

Meanwhile, if consoles added mind control/keyboard+mouse support with Linux's mix of desktop applications (which would probably cause windows/osx progs to be ported to the console), we would see a single hardware base to aim for, as well as far more powerful devices (By default, have a simplified Android-like interface on the console, plus autoboot into games, but allow it to be swapped out for gnome/kde and still run the games?)

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RE[4]: I don't think so
by thedreampolice on Tue 6th Apr 2010 23:59 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't think so"
thedreampolice Member since:
2010-04-06

I felt that way for many years but the xbox changed my mind.

" and already the PC offers far greater FPS and graphics than the PS3 is capable of. "

The average user does not care about FPS

"I can't believe you're suggesting playing fallout3 on a console"

I love Fallout on my 360

"That, and it's impossible to play an FPS without a keyboard and mouse.
Gamepads are horrible. "

have you played any of the Halo games? They NAIL IT I do not EVER want to go back to keyboard and mouse.

"Meanwhile, if consoles added mind control/keyboard+mouse support with Linux's mix of desktop applications (which would probably cause windows/osx progs to be ported to the console), w"

No I would NEVER buy that. I want a game console, and maybe I want it to play my music and movies but no more. People get consoles because they are simple. No AV updates, no DirectX updates (that they no of ;) No changing video cards. You know when you get a game it will work the same in your 360 as it does in your friends 360. Its about convince and consistency. Just like McDonald's they may not make the best hamburger but you always know what you are getting.

Also Xbox Live is AMAZING!

oh and read what paul has to say about PC gaming.

http://www.winsupersite.com/xbox/pc_gaming.asp

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RE[5]: I don't think so
by darknexus on Wed 7th Apr 2010 00:26 in reply to "RE[4]: I don't think so"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Just like McDonald's they may not make the best hamburger but you always know what you are getting.


That you do, a downpayment on your next heart attack. ;)

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RE[5]: I don't think so
by zlynx on Wed 7th Apr 2010 15:38 in reply to "RE[4]: I don't think so"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

I have indeed tried to play Halo on a Xbox 360 with that crap controller.

Mouse and keyboard forever!

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RE[4]: I don't think so
by computrius on Wed 7th Apr 2010 02:23 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't think so"
computrius Member since:
2006-03-26

"Meanwhile, if consoles added mind control/keyboard+mouse support with Linux's mix of desktop applications (which would probably cause windows/osx progs to be ported to the console), we would see a single hardware base to aim for, as well as far more powerful devices (By default, have a simplified Android-like interface on the console, plus autoboot into games, but allow it to be swapped out for gnome/kde and still run the games?)"

At that point you just have a pc... And they currently not all aiming for it. I definitely prefer a pc, but it seems like all they are getting anymore are poor xbox ports.

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RE[4]: I don't think so
by nt_jerkface on Wed 7th Apr 2010 03:55 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't think so"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

PC gaming gets the shaft these days and everyone knows it.

There's too many good games on consoles to be a pc elitist. A game like Red Dead Redemption would run great on a pc but that isn't an option. You can stick with your silly framerate elitism but I'll be having fun roaming the western plains on a 52" plamsa. The last thing I'll be thinking about is pc gaming.

I used to be a dedicated pc gamer but have moved on and in fact have grown to love my little box with the green lights. I'm not going to stick with the pc so I can play the wait and see game with developers. Wait and see if they port to the pc and sometimes wait even more since the pc port is often delayed. Oh and now we have single player pc games coming that require a constant net connection. But the pc can draw polygons faster! WHOOHOO!!

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RE[4]: I don't think so
by vinterbleg on Wed 7th Apr 2010 06:05 in reply to "RE[3]: I don't think so"
vinterbleg Member since:
2005-07-11

You may like gaming on the PC better, but unfortunately you're not significant enough to change the trend in the games industry towards console-based gaming.

I happen to work in the games industry, and when I ask why the PC is being ignored, people give one reason: Piracy.

In a few years, almost no AAA titles will be released targeting high-end PCs, and the ones that will be released for PC, will be at least as buggy and bad as the current generation. Already PC-centric companies like Blizzard and Valve are making the right decision: Target low- to mid-end PCs and laptops (i.e. lower the system reqs) to reach a wider market, and completely ignore the hardware fetishists among "hardcore gamers".

Arguing that you need a high-end workstation-class PC to play games on is not going to make sense for very long, because very soon, there simply won't be any games left for the PC with system requirements above those of an average laptop.

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RE[5]: I don't think so
by nt_jerkface on Wed 7th Apr 2010 07:08 in reply to "RE[4]: I don't think so"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Yes a big problem is that those hardware fetishists have incredibly high piracy rates. They'll spend their money on hardware but not software which really calls into question a lot of the common rationalizations for piracy.

Of course those 'hardcore' pc gamers write hundreds of blogs posts and try to downplay the piracy problem but game companies track torrents and can see which group is the absolute worst when it comes to piracy.

Edited 2010-04-07 07:08 UTC

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