Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 19th Apr 2010 13:10 UTC
Linux We all know Synaptics, the company that seems to produce just about every touchpad you can get your hands fingers on. Their touchpads also do a lot of multitouch and gesture stuff, but up until now, their set of gestures, the Synaptics Gesture Suite, was only available on Windows. Luckily, they've ported it over to Linux, and made it available for OEMs building Linux laptops.
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RE[3]: Comment by spinnekopje
by spiderman on Tue 20th Apr 2010 13:39 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by spinnekopje"
spiderman
Member since:
2008-10-23


For windows I can browse the website of the vendor and download all drivers from there.
My wireless atheros card does _not_ work correctly on linux. Some of my card readers don't work like they should (not hot pluggable without tweaking).
A much larger group of users will be able to install a driver from the vendors website, but won't manage to tweak settings to make a card reader work (and after an update that might not even work at all).
That is because you purchased a computer for Windows and tried installing linux on it. Windows won't install on my Gdium because the processor is MIPS and that is not supported at all by Windows.
Actually, 90% of the people are not able to install Windows on a computer, let alone install drivers. They buy is pre-installed. This is the same for linux. The OEM didn't have any trouble with the broadcom wireless chip of my netbook but I suspect 90% of the people would not be able to install it themselves.

I can send bug reports for closed source software, so I don't see why the community shouldn't be able to help.

Oh yes, that we can indeed. I didn't think about that. Another way to help is to ask them to open their driver so we can integrate it in mainstream distros.

But I see your point. It is still good news that they did the driver. It's better than before. Many people will be happy with that. I just expect more.

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spinnekopje Member since:
2008-11-29

That is because you purchased a computer for Windows and tried installing linux on it.[q]

I have one of the first acer one models available with the linux version on it, but that was even worse than windows to work with.
For daily use I installed ubuntu which works nicer, but not all hardware works like it should.

[q]But I see your point. It is still good news that they did the driver. It's better than before. Many people will be happy with that. I just expect more.


I would also be more pleased with more, but we already should be happy with what they did and not directly start to talk about more.

By the way it can indirectly be included in distro's just like you can enable some video drivers in ubuntu.

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bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

spiderman declared...

That is because you purchased a computer for Windows and tried installing linux on it.


I'm sorry, but that's a bad assumption on your part.

I have an ASUS eeepc 901L, the L stands for Linux and my eeepc came with Xandros installed. The hardware should be completely supported then, right? I mean, it has Linux in the name, right?

Not so much... First off the Xandros installed was the same version in use on the 701 models, which ran an entirely different processor! Skipping past the whole issue of how quickly ASUS dropped support for their Linux models once Microsoft made them an offer they couldn't refuse...I quickly installed Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 on the netbook and made use of the community provided kernel put together by Adam McDaniel. That lasted until Jaunty 9.04, where upon he declared there was now sufficient support in the native kernel and we should all use that.

Except the drivers Ralink released aren't free enough, so they were quickly yanked and now I am unable to get a good WiFi connection on my eeepc without running an increasingly depreciated and duct-taped older versions of Ubuntu. The drivers are available on the Ralink site, if I follow the instructions I can have a working WiFi that will work quite well--until there is a kernel update and once again I have to fiddle with the whole make make install thing again. I couldn't do it at all if it weren't for instructions on the Ubuntu Forums...

Then there's the whole loveliness that was the Intel drivers fiasco. I specifically got a laptop with Intel video because I wanted to have good Linux support, cleanly in the kernel without having to have binary blobs... For years the community said "Give us the specs and we'll write the drivers ourselves!" and so Intel obliged them. And before you even try to deflect, I do not have a poulsbo chipset, I have an Intel 945GSE, which should have been supported by now. Yet I suffered the regression there and across every distro that wasn't using alpha quality drivers rushed out the door early.

Those are just two examples of the issues I've had on this "Linux netbook" that I researched ahead of time and confirmed all hardware was working at the time of purchase. I just didn't anticipate the kernel developers and the distro makers working so diligently to break compatibility after the fact...

--bornagainpenguin

PS: I am hardly the only one who has purchased hardware known to work with Linux and be "Linux compatible" only to have that compatibility be broken at a later time. Ask yourself how many others simply walked away when their installs broke and never said anything beyond grousing "This Linux junk don't work!" and resolving not to waste their money on the "inferior copy" and to just buy Windows next time?

Edited 2010-04-20 23:51 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by spinnekopje
by spiderman on Wed 21st Apr 2010 05:43 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by spinnekopje"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


I have an ASUS eeepc 901L, the L stands for Linux and my eeepc came with Xandros installed. The hardware should be completely supported then, right? I mean, it has Linux in the name, right?

I've got pentium 133 machine. It came with windows 95. So it should be compatible with Windows right? I mean it is sold with windows so it should be compatible right? Wrong! I tried to put Vista on it and nothing works! And do you remember the "vista compatible" logo? How has it worked out?
Your computer was compatible with the Xandros distro that came with it. It was not supposed to run Ubuntu. The vast majority of the people who bought this exact same model stick to the system that came installed with it. If you want to hack the system, it is at your own risk.

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