Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 28th May 2010 22:51 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
KDE "The developers behind the KDE desktop environment have released the first beta of version 4.5. Although the major focus during this development cycle is stability, the release also brings some nice new features and user interface improvements."
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RE: Won't even try it...
by sbenitezb on Sat 29th May 2010 23:26 UTC in reply to "Won't even try it..."
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Since KDE4 was released, GNOME has been pushed so much farther by distributions and grown so much on a lot of people.

It's a shame. KDE 4.4 is way better than 4.0. Main problem are the distros, which overcustomize KDE to a point where they break it or make it slow. I'm not sure about Kubuntu now, but last time I tried it, it was a pain. Now Arch with vainilla KDE is awesome. Anyway, I think it's much better if the desktop developers implement a very nice vainilla desktop, with all functionality available so there's no need for distros to be tweaking and implementing all missing stuff (Ubuntu, Fedora).

Compare two distros like Ubuntu and Fedora and you'll see they look and behave somewhat differently. And that's because Gnome is not well integrated. What's even more daunting is the path Gnome is taking towards 3.0 with gnome shell and all that useless crap.

The damage is done, and I don't think it will ever recover. So, no, I won't even try it.

People assume that when damage is done, there's no chance to recover. KDE has recovered , and that clearly shows in the desktop and applications. That you won't even try is because you haven't recovered yet, not a thing with KDE itself, it's your own limitation.

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v Won't even try it...
by Jason Bourne on Sun 30th May 2010 01:49 in reply to "RE: Won't even try it..."
RE: Won't even try it...
by Laurence on Sun 30th May 2010 12:44 in reply to "Won't even try it..."
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GNOME/Ubuntu is prettier than KDE. Why try KDE?
Please list vanilla distros...

Sure, is you first list vanilla GNOME distros, as Ubuntu ships a non-standard version.

But then it's so pretty, who cares about actually making an intelligent argument when you can just sit and stare at your desktop for 10 minutes.

Edited 2010-05-30 12:45 UTC

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RE: Won't even try it...
by farfromhome on Sun 30th May 2010 15:36 in reply to "Won't even try it..."
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GNOME/Ubuntu is prettier than KDE. Why try KDE?
Please list vanilla distros...

Vanilla GNOME or vanilla KDE? Fedora at least ships a mostly-vanilla GNOME these days. Most KDE distros are shipping a vanilla KDE, with Sabayon and Pardus the main two exceptions I can think of. And of course, distros that are committed to vanilla everything also ship a vanilla KDE and GNOME, such as Arch and Slackware (with third-parties with respect to GNOME).

I personally find the new Ubuntu theme horrendous. Both in the light version and the dark version, I have never seen such an ugly theme by promulgated by a respected distribution before.

You see, aesthetics are purely a matter of taste. To me, the default Clearlooks is at least passable, and Fedora's Nodoka theme is the best-looking of all. You disagree? Fair enough, but don't assume that everybody agrees with you either.

Though I now prefer Oxygen to all the GNOME themes. I sat out KDE from 4.0 to 4.2, using both GNOME and XFCE in the meantime, and only came back to the KDE fold at 4.3, by which point it had become a very usable desktop again. I'm glad that I gave KDE another chance, as its core philosophies are still much close to mine than GNOME's are.

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RE[2]: Won't even try it...
by dagw on Mon 31st May 2010 21:07 in reply to "RE: Won't even try it..."
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I'll second the call to try KDE 4.4. I'm another one of them who left KDE for GNOME after the whole early KDE4 debacle. I then proceeded to try 4.1-4.3 and each time I was convinced that I made the right choice switching to Gnome. Then 4.4 came out and all of a sudden everything basically not only worked, but worked better than GNOME. Now I'm back with KDE and really excited to see what 4.5 brings.

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