Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2010 15:36 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this week, Apple launched a HTML5 Showcase page, displaying several uses for HTML5 and related technologies. However, it turns out that Apple is using trickery to block out browsers other than Safari, with the end result that browsers with better support for web standards than Safari can't access the demos.
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RE: Overblown
by PresentIt on Fri 4th Jun 2010 17:13 UTC in reply to "Overblown"
PresentIt
Member since:
2010-02-10

Here's a direct quote from Apple's showcase page about their intentions:


They are implying that you need Safari if you want HTML5 capabilities in your browser. And they aren't even testing any HTML5 (well, a couple of things).

Heck, they even gave a half-shout out to the other side when they wrote "Not all browsers offer this support", implying that there are some browsers that do

No, they are implying that only Safari does, therefore use Safari, and Apple rocks!

when you click on the demo links it says very clearly that they need you to use Safari

...implying that you need Safari to view HTML5 content.

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RE[2]: Overblown
by earksiinni on Fri 4th Jun 2010 17:29 in reply to "RE: Overblown"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

I'm not sure where you're getting your evidence from. How does saying "The demos below show how the latest version of Appleā€™s Safari web browser, new Macs, and new Apple mobile devices all support the capabilities of HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript" in any way imply that Safari is the only browser that supports HTML5? That's a false inference.

Same for "Not all browsers offer this support". They aren't saying "Only Safari offers this support" or "No other browsers offer this support". I think they're being clear: HTML5 is an emerging standard, and Safari is one of the browsers that supports it.

Furthermore, how can people say that Apple's showcase page doesn't test HTML5 at all? A gross exaggeration. I only have a Linux machine, so I can't test the page myself, but I was under the impression that it does use HTML5 tags?

Really, the more I think about it, the more I feel that this blog post is more about anti-Apple FUD (YES, I said it! May the flame wars begin!) than actually reading what was written on the page. I can't stand Apple's controlling mentality any more than the next techie, but the editorial spin that's been placed on this "news item" (if it can be called that) is simply off.

EDIT: From the other comments, I see now that Apple has used WebKit-specific tags. Epic fail. But that still doesn't take away from my main point, which is that this showcase page is not about HTML5 but about Safari, nor for that matter does using WebKit-specific tags mean that the page doesn't test HTML5 rendering capability (for Safari).

Edited 2010-06-04 17:33 UTC

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RE[3]: Overblown
by PresentIt on Fri 4th Jun 2010 17:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Overblown"
PresentIt Member since:
2010-02-10

You are ignoring the fact that it's called "HTML5 Showcase", on the page "apple.com/html5" even though it doesn't really use much HTML5 at all.

The total impression you get is what I described. You are ignoring the overall picture.

Anti-Apple FUD? More like anti-lying facts. More like anti-Apple-lying-about-HTML5 facts.

This page is indeed about HTML5. That is the impression they want to leave you with. And it doesn't even test HTML5!

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RE[3]: Overblown
by l3v1 on Fri 4th Jun 2010 19:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Overblown"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

And you say you're not a fanboy?

You're just too easily dragged into the pr-machine, which is fine, you belong to their target audience, they reached you, so tada, they're good.

But let's just put aside how and what html5 capabilities they use in those demos (which don't seem much, but anyway). Instead take this: "[Macs and do.] all support the capabilities of HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript [,..] But soon other modern browsers will take advantage of these same web standards"

First, since they don't say how much of html5, css3 and js they support, they suggest they support everything. The insertion of the "all" word in that sentence on the left side of "support" is a nice move btw (keeping "all", "support" and "capabilities" close enough to work their magic). Second, they say other browsers "will" have support, suggesting they currecntly don't have that support. All in all, I don't have anything against them doing some pr, but I don't enjoy seeing people falling for it - even if they seem to have knowledgeable pr guys around.

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RE[3]: Overblown
by NeoX on Sat 5th Jun 2010 18:05 in reply to "RE[2]: Overblown"
NeoX Member since:
2006-02-19


EDIT: From the other comments, I see now that Apple has used WebKit-specific tags. Epic fail. But that still doesn't take away from my main point, which is that this showcase page is not about HTML5 but about Safari, nor for that matter does using WebKit-specific tags mean that the page doesn't test HTML5 rendering capability (for Safari).


I agree with your initial assessments, both the part about Apple not intentionally lying and that this post is Anti-Apple FUD.

As to the fact that they use webkit tags mixed in with HTML5 I don't see the big deal. After all this is a showcase of HTML5 AND Safari, that is pretty clear from the showcase page.

All this Apple lying talk and Opera's whining just sounds like sour grapes from a bunch of Anti-Apple types.

I am no Apple fanboy but this is ridiculous.

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