Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Jun 2010 19:11 UTC
Apple As everybody already expected, Apple "unveiled" the new iPhone tonight. It's called the iPhone 4, and brings the iPhone up to par with what's already available on other smartphone platforms, hardware wise, while raising the bar on a few specific points (the display, mostly). The company also announced a name change for its mobile operating system - it's now called iOS. What we didn't get during this year's WWDC keynote? News about the Mac, Mac OS X, or the Apple TV. Make no mistake: the iPhone and iPad is where it's at.
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RE[2]: Comment by Kroc
by RenatoRam on Mon 7th Jun 2010 20:37 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Kroc"
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That's because it's a feature nobody wants video chat/call.

UMTS phones have been able to make video calls for ages here in Italy (since the arrival of '3', H3G) but simply nobody WANTS to use them.

There has been a huge push for YEARS for the videocall as the killer feature of 3G, but nobody cared. When I call someone I want to talk to him, not see him, much less let them see me.

The real killer feature of 3G is obviously internet connectivity and bandwith, but the usb 3G "modems" have only become common during the last couple of years.

The video-call is not even mentioned anymore in the ads because, frankly, it's a bogus feature.

Edited 2010-06-07 20:39 UTC

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by Eugenia on Mon 7th Jun 2010 20:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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I'm sorry, but you're very wrong. I DO want video calls, and I wanted these video calls since 2003. The key is that I DO NOT want to do these calls via 3G/airtime. I wanted videochat to be free via wifi, and/or at least be part of the "unlimited data" package. But definitely not how it was implemented via the carriers so far. The reason why video chat did not take off all these years is because of the high cost (in Greece it is $1 per minute I think), not because "no one wants it".

I can assure you that my mom and I, would LOVE it, as she lives in Greece, and I live in the US.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by RenatoRam on Mon 7th Jun 2010 20:46 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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Ok, obviously SOMEBODY wants them, and somebody is probably using them.

But here they have always costed more or less like phone calls (a bit more) and still I've never ever heard of someone using them. I'm sure most people with UMTS handsets are not even aware of the purpose of the little front facing camera. I'm a geek, and I noticed it after weeks on my new work-phone.

Internet/wifi video chats are a whole different beasts, in my mind (and I suspect in the general public's mind here in Italy): if you want to do it you use skype and a computer.

Obviously it's also the consequence of the hideous cost the data transfers always had here. That's very slowly changing.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by Tuishimi on Mon 7th Jun 2010 21:59 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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Really? You want to do that on a little tiny phone screen?

When our family on the West coast (well, Phoenix) wants to video call our family on the East coast (NYC) we use our computers with much larger screens, better hardware, better internet connection speeds, etc.

Makes for a much nicer call experience.

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RE[4]: Comment by Kroc
by ggeldenhuys on Mon 7th Jun 2010 22:15 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Kroc"
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In South Africa there is no difference it price for Video or Voice calls. My wife phones me often via video call, and it's really nice [no radiation next to my head].

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RE[3]: Comment by Kroc
by ricegf on Mon 7th Jun 2010 23:31 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Kroc"
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I have to agree. Young people today have moved from voice-only calls to... texting. The *opposite* direction from video calling.

I've had video calling on my N900 since last year, but have rarely used it. I call to talk, not to watch.

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