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Meanwhile in the real world....
by Tony Swash on Wed 9th Jun 2010 21:15 UTC
Tony Swash
Member since:
2009-08-22

While Apple-phobes get all worked up about Apple protecting people's privacy and responding to a competitive assault by Google based on inside information gained while Google had a seat on Apple's board - this happens and nothing is said around here.

Google has released an independent audit of the rogue code, which it has claimed was included in the StreetView software by mistake.

But Privacy International (PI) is convinced the audit proves "criminal intent"

"The independent audit of the Google system shows that the system used for the wi-fi collection intentionally separated out unencrypted content (payload data) of communications and systematically wrote this data to hard drives. This is equivalent to placing a hard tap and a digital recorder onto a phone wire without consent or authorisation," said PI in a statement.

"The idea that this was a work of a lone engineer doesn't add up. This is complex code and it must have been given a budget and been overseen. Google has asserted that all its projects are rigorously checked," said Mr Davies from Privacy International (PI).

This would put Google at odds with the interception laws of the 30 countries that the system was used in, it added.

The revelation that Google had collected such data led the German Information Commissioner to demand it handed over a hard-disk so it could examine exactly what it had collected.

It has not yet received the data and has extended the original deadline for it to be handed over.

I guess Google really believes in openness - for everyone else on the planet except themselves.

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bnolsen Member since:
2006-01-06

This article is about apple, not about google. Google isn't one monolithic company it's got a bunch of divisions. Wireless network data collection (802.11x) has nothing to do with cellular networks or advertising.

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Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

This article is about apple, not about google. Google isn't one monolithic company it's got a bunch of divisions. Wireless network data collection (802.11x) has nothing to do with cellular networks or advertising.


Please - how naive can you be! What - you think Google is just one big happy family and it has a small and unimportant bad apple in its midst (no pun intended).

Grow up.

Google is a huge and successful business which is both ultra secretive about its key asset - its search engine - and which is founded upon the principle of watching what you and everybody else does on the internet. Doesn't that bother you just a bit? And now they are caught harvesting people's data from their wireless networks. Doesn't that bother you just a bit?

This article by the way is a criticial report about Apple's response to Google's competitive attacks. Google have been utterly open about targeting and attacking Apple, Google was on the board of Apple when it was developing the iPhone and whilst it (Google) was building its own phone OS to go up against Apple's. Doesn't that you bother at least a bit?

Google entered the phone business - Apple hasn't entered the search business.

Now Apple is saying "advertisers you gather the data you want as long as the end user and data owners approve it - but Google you can fuck off". While Apple seems set on protecting the privacy of its customers that's not Google's model which is to gather data without asking and to gather it everywhere.

Why are people here siding with Google? Come on guys - stand up for your principals and don't let prejudice and media hype get in your way.

It was ironic and offensive for Google to use the 1984 reference to attack Apple at its recent IO when its Google that wants to watch everyone.

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mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

While Apple-phobes get all worked up about Apple protecting people's privacy and responding to a competitive assault by Google based on inside information gained while Google had a seat on Apple's board - this happens and nothing is said around here.


Of course it won't, because Google are the golden haired child of geekdom at the moment - they can't possibly do wrong. Apple on the other hand are evil incarnate according to that group, because they opt to use internationally recognised STANDARDS in their products, and their business model is self serving. What a hide they have developing a totally self serving business model!

The Australian government is also investigating Google's street view data collection, with the distinct possibility of the matter being turned over to the Federal Police, and there are whispers that there will be a push to also investigate Google's collection of search data and uninvited indexing of web sites for breaches of privacy laws.

As has been pointed out, there are numerous non-tech real world examples of the type of model Apple are employing in each of these areas, but of course it takes some real world knowledge to understand that.

On the other hand, how may people would be ok with someone coming uninvited into their house, going through all their stuff and listing it all on a local community bulletin board along with the address? How many people wouldn't call the police if every time they went to their local supermarket there was someone following them around making note of every product they even look at, or indeed following them around all day every day making note of every type of business and even other individuals that were visiting so that they could make money from that information?

But of course, if you look at this logically, from a real world perspective, you're branded with the war cry of those who have nothing real to support their arguments - APPLE FAN BOY!

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