Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Jun 2010 19:17 UTC
Linux Linux Magazine has a profile of Daniel Fore and the Elementary project. Elementary is a Linux distro that's committed to a clean and simple user experience, but it's more than a distro - it's actually a multi-pronged effort to make improvements to the user experience for a whole ecosystem of components, including icons, a GTK theme, Midori improvements, Nautilus, and even Firefox. The work that elementary is doing isn't limited to their own distro, and some of their work is available in current, and perhaps future, Ubuntu releases. The results are really striking, and I think it's probably the handsomest Linux UI I've ever seen.
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tupp
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2006-11-12

Ubuntu 8.04 users were unable to upgrade to OpenOffice 3.0. They were told to upgrade their OS to 9.04 if they wanted the latest version of an office suite. That's retarded. 8.04 was released in 2008.

I'm just going to take your word on this one, because I can't find the problem with a shallow web search and you didn't provide a link.

Yes. That is probably terrible to have to upgrade the whole OS for Open Office. Not having ever had such a problem nor used Ubuntu for more than a few days, I would not know what it entails to upgrade Ubuntu.

However, Ubuntu is only one of hundreds of Linux distros.

Furthermore, what could Open Office 3.0 do that the previous version couldn't?

Also, please name an OS that is better at handling program uninstalls.
OSX. Most the time the uninstaller isn't needed since everything is kept in a single file. But the best implementation of this I have seen is in RISC OS.

Okay. I meant to say "uprgade" not "uninstall."

However, I fail to see how searching for a directory in Finder and then deleting it is superior to or quicker than typing apt-get purge [package] in an already open terminal. I also don't see how the OSX method is better than some GUI package manager -- with a package manager, you know you are removing hidden symlinks and user config files.

Also, Gobolinux has everything in a single directory.

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jtfolden Member since:
2005-08-12

Yes. That is probably terrible to have to upgrade the whole OS for Open Office. Not having ever had such a problem nor used Ubuntu for more than a few days, I would not know what it entails to upgrade Ubuntu.


That may be due to the fact you use a rolling release distro. However, the OO example is not unique to Ubuntu nor is it even unique to a specific version of Ubuntu. A myriad number of distros, that are not unstable rolling releases, also frequently have this issue - Ubuntu, Fedora/Red Hat, OpenSUSE, etc...

This type of problem can effect the ability to upgrade apps both big (OpenOffice) and small (I once needed to upgrade RhythmBox as a feature I needed was not available in the current official release of that particular distro I was using. In order to do so, I had to resort to using unstable repositories, despite that particular release of RB most certainly not being a major revision, and had to accept "unstable" dependencies just to get the upgrade).


Furthermore, what could Open Office 3.0 do that the previous version couldn't?


Isn't that completely irrelevant? A user shouldn't have to justify why they want a newer release.

However, I fail to see how searching for a directory in Finder and then deleting it is superior to or quicker than typing apt-get purge [package] in an already open terminal.


Why would I, or the average user, need an open terminal on a regular basis? ..or why should we need to run one app just to delete another one? Nothing is quicker than simply DnD'ing the app bundle and its config file to the trash. Out of all the apps I use on OS X, I think only one "Photoshop" requires any sort of automated help uninstalling it.

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wargum Member since:
2006-12-15

Yes. That is probably terrible to have to upgrade the whole OS for Open Office. Not having ever had such a problem nor used Ubuntu for more than a few days, I would not know what it entails to upgrade Ubuntu.

Man, this is a totally common problem. I once tried to install a decent media player on CentOS, Songbird. There just wasn't any version for it. Later when switching to Ubuntu LTS there was a third party package I could use (downloadable through a website that didn't list the Ubuntu versions by number but by name like 'Dapper Drake', great...) but FF and OOo couldn't be used in their newest incarnations. Awful.

Furthermore, what could Open Office 3.0 do that the previous version couldn't?

Yeah, why not stick to Claris Works, had everything you'd ever wish...

Seriously, this is an insulting question!

However, I fail to see how searching for a directory in Finder and then deleting it is superior to or quicker than typing apt-get purge [package] in an already open terminal.

You must be kidding me... Yeah, we all open 10 terminal windows when logged in, just in case...
BTW, I would guess that uninstalling an application is actually a very rare task a typical user performs.

I also don't see how the OSX method is better than some GUI package manager -- with a package manager, you know you are removing hidden symlinks and user config files.

There are hardly any hidden symlinks in OS X applications. And config files aren't an issue. They are tiny, who cares? Only a nerd would. And he can do the task manually.

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tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Man, this is a totally common problem. I once tried to install a decent media player on CentOS, Songbird. There just wasn't any version for it. Later when switching to Ubuntu LTS there was a third party package I could use (downloadable through a website that didn't list the Ubuntu versions by number but by name like 'Dapper Drake', great...) but FF and OOo couldn't be used in their newest incarnations. Awful.

Yea. That's almost as bad as when Apple requires one to upgrade OSX with almost every new release of Final Cut Pro, and other big programs. The main difference is that OSX upgrades can sometimes cost money!

Awful.


Yeah, why not stick to Claris Works, had everything you'd ever wish...

Well, is there actually much of a difference between OO 2.8 and OO 3.0?


Seriously, this is an insulting question!

Gee, I am really sorry if you were insulted.


You must be kidding me... Yeah, we all open 10 terminal windows when logged in, just in case...

A lot of Linux power users usually have one terminal open -- no kidding.


BTW, I would guess that uninstalling an application is actually a very rare task a typical user performs.

So what?


There are hardly any hidden symlinks in OS X applications. And config files aren't an issue. They are tiny, who cares? Only a nerd would. And he can do the task manually.

Right. Who cares?... because uninstalling apps is easy on OSX: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=11572945

Edited 2010-06-20 08:44 UTC

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