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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Based upon a recent email to the X.Org developers' mailing list, Canonical is nearing the point of one of their goals for Ubuntu 10.10 of a rootless X Server, or being able to run the X.Org Server without root privileges.
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RE[3]: Big deal...
by Moochman on Sat 26th Jun 2010 08:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Big deal..."
Moochman
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2005-07-06

One of my main beefs with X--and I'm just assuming it's X's fault since I see it on Mac OS apps ported from Linux, as well as in the Linux desktop--are visual artifacts when redrawing parts of the screen. This to me is the one thing that screams "unprofessional" when compared to Mac and most modern Windows apps. Is anything being done/has anything been done recently to fix this?

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RE[4]: Big deal...
by UltraZelda64 on Sat 26th Jun 2010 08:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Big deal..."
UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

I only recall seeing redraw graphical glitches when using KDE4. And they involve the tooltips when you hover the mouse over the various objects on the panel. Then again, it's been a while since I used something other than KDE4 extensively, so maybe it just doesn't come to mind.

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RE[4]: Big deal...
by vivainio on Sat 26th Jun 2010 10:08 in reply to "RE[3]: Big deal..."
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

One of my main beefs with X--and I'm just assuming it's X's fault since I see it on Mac OS apps ported from Linux, as well as in the Linux desktop--are visual artifacts when redrawing parts of the screen.


This is something that's been solved a long time ago by compositing window managers. Desktop graphics on X are every bit as smooth as on win7 these days.

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RE[5]: Big deal...
by Moochman on Sat 26th Jun 2010 12:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Big deal..."
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

"One of my main beefs with X--and I'm just assuming it's X's fault since I see it on Mac OS apps ported from Linux, as well as in the Linux desktop--are visual artifacts when redrawing parts of the screen.


This is something that's been solved a long time ago by compositing window managers. Desktop graphics on X are every bit as smooth as on win7 these days.
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Hmm, that doesn't sound like a full solution to the problem. If I remember correctly, these window managers only work with 3D acceleration turned on--what happens if you use 2D-only drivers? And secondly, doesn't that only cover window moving and resizing? What about the contents of the windows?

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RE[5]: Big deal...
by _txf_ on Sat 26th Jun 2010 20:42 in reply to "RE[4]: Big deal..."
_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

Only partial truth. I have generally found the situation to be wildly variable and greatly affected by various point revisions. Generally it has been mildy acceptable and never as smooth or consistent as osx and win7.

There are qt and kde apps that are quite a bit smoother on windows than on linux using the Xrender backend.

And one of the things that really gets to me is the fact that both major compositors seem to become sluggish and act weirdly after some uptime.

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RE[4]: Big deal...
by sbergman27 on Sat 26th Jun 2010 22:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Big deal..."
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

One of my main beefs with X--and I'm just assuming it's X's fault since I see it on Mac OS apps ported from Linux, as well as in the Linux desktop--are visual artifacts when redrawing parts of the screen.

Is it just me? Or do many people with criticisms of X need to "get a life". Visual artifacts? When I was growing up, we had a device called "rapid reader". It had a card with short, printed sentences on it, and you could slide it so that a single one resided in the view window. It had a spring-loaded shutter that you could snap into place. Slide the card, Push a button. And whhht! You had a tiny interval of time in which to read the sentence.

I really can't help but feel that some people are still trying to play "rapid reader" with display managers today.

And no. I note no visual artifacts, that are of any consequence to me, on my X displays.

Of course, if I plug a projector into my netbook during a presentation, it's anybody's guess what X might do. Hopefully, no one gets hurt.

(And, as an aside... I've been away for a while. But the OSNews readership is about the best I've seen anywhere. And despite my criticisms in the past, the OSNews moderation system is one which I find myself holding up as a golden standard to some of the less enlightened "cookie cutter" board administrators out there. Good job, Thom and Adam!)

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