Linked by gsyoungblood on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:01 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless On July 15th the latest Android super-phone was released by Motorola and Verizon Wireless. All hail the Droid X. The release was not without controversy though. The Droid X, while greatly raising the bar for Android phones in general, does so at the expense of the very power users and community that made the original Droid the gotta-have phone it became. Alienating this group may have far reaching consequences for Motorola.
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by poundsmack on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:40 UTC
poundsmack
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2005-07-13

people have to understand the Motorola didn't make this thing for people to tinker with. They made it to be a polished super phone for normal people, not devs who want to play with the hardware and load custom images on it. I do a lot of embedded work and while it would be cool to use the droid x as a platform to mess around with, it's not what it was marketed towards and thats not something that will impact it's sales more than 0.01% if that.

all in all its a great phone for what it is; a consumer smart phone with a nice big screen.

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RE: uggg
by vodoomoth on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:13 in reply to "uggg"
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2010-03-30

... and while it would be cool to use the droid x as a platform to mess around with, it's not what it was marketed towards ...

According to what I read from the article, and if I understood it correctly, it wasn't explicitly marketed as that but the previous "version" has been known for that and people implicitly assumed the Droid X would follow the same path, although we now know these people were making assumptions based on nothing concrete.

From what I understand, the article author is blaming Motorola for (among other things) not having made it clearer that the Droid X would not allow what the Droid did allow. Now that I'm writing this, I wonder why Motorola should be blamed for false assumptions other people made about a new product.

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RE[2]: uggg
by poundsmack on Tue 20th Jul 2010 21:23 in reply to "RE: uggg"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

but this is not the direct upgrade from the previous version, the Droid 2 is, and that's not out yet.

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False assumptions, or deliberate ploy?
by gsyoungblood on Wed 21st Jul 2010 15:40 in reply to "RE: uggg"
gsyoungblood Member since:
2007-01-09

You are absolutely correct, some people are buying based on flawed assumptions. However, those assumptions are the direct result of Motorola, now admittedly, deliberately making the original Droid basically an open device and attracting the very community they now hold in disregard.

The only people I find any fault with for buying under false assumptions are those that know about being locked out and are counting on the community to find a way around them to re-enable things later.

Personally, I'd have no problem with the entire secured stack, eFuse included, if Motorola _AND_ Verizon would commit to unlocking everything in 6 to 12 months. But I'm betting they won't do that.

Part of the reason I wrote this article is that the ability to update the software is crucial to the longevity of the hardware in general. You can't trust/rely on Motorola (and to a degree Verizon) to always release version updates. It's counter productive for them, since upgrading device software lessens the motivations to get people to buy new devices.

Think that's unlikely? http://bit.ly/azy80x reports that FroYo, 2.2, is uncertain for the Droid Milestone. It still might happen, but if it does it appears unlikely it will be a timely update. Since the Milestone is locked using similar or the same techniques as the Droid X, I think it sets a bad precedent for future Motorola phones, including the Droid X. The community can put 2.2 on the original Droid and, curiously enough, Motorola will as well. The community is locked out of the Milestone, and Motorola's not sure they'll upgrade it. A pattern for the future? Only time will tell.

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RE: uggg
by gnufreex on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:26 in reply to "uggg"
gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

people have to understand the Motorola didn't make this thing for people to tinker with

And for what they made it? To explode into people's faces?

This kind of things should be illegal, end of story!! Any try to defend Motorola should be considered frivolous. There is no excuse. They are over the top with this one and should be boycotted until they are out of business.

I am so pissed of right now that I could explode. I am this >< close to buying the phone and making it selfdistruct, and then starting a class action against Motorola.

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RE[2]: uggg
by tylerdurden on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:44 in reply to "RE: uggg"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Dude you need to take a deep breath, chill out, and start pondering the need to reconsider your priorities in life.


It is a freaking phone.

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RE[2]: uggg
by Soulbender on Thu 22nd Jul 2010 03:03 in reply to "RE: uggg"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

The only thing over the top here is your opinion. Illegal? Frivolous? It explodes? Seriously, get a fricken grip on reality. Just get another phone and move on.

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RE: uggg
by werpu on Wed 21st Jul 2010 07:39 in reply to "uggg"
werpu Member since:
2006-01-18

people have to understand the Motorola didn't make this thing for people to tinker with. They made it to be a polished super phone for normal people, not devs who want to play with the hardware and load custom images on it. I do a lot of embedded work and while it would be cool to use the droid x as a platform to mess around with, it's not what it was marketed towards and thats not something that will impact it's sales more than 0.01% if that.

all in all its a great phone for what it is; a consumer smart phone with a nice big screen.


Motorola made this so people are prevented to tinker with their phone. Their locking of the bootloader and other measures are artificial timebombs to retire the phone support and force people to buy the next phone. It is as simple as that. Phones have become so powerful over the last 2 years that the OS does not bring the phones to their limit. One way to enforce people buy a new phone is to block them to install the latest shiny updates on the phones themselves.
Motorola is not alone in this, basically everyone does it, it is just that Motorola has the strongest protection on unlocking and has had since the Milestone. The sad thing is, that contracts usually run for two years and people should be able to get OS updates and fixes for exactly this period, but most vendors including Motorola usually drop support within 6-12 months with one big update in between if at all (Samsung usually does nothing at all)

The problem is not that the phone is rendered obsolete, but since Android could not be considered feature complete before 2.2 and still in some small areas is not it is vital go get those updates.
So for Motorola it makes a lot of sense to put such a time bomb in, for the user well less, because after all after a year he is basically screwed with one year left to go on his contract. (The Milestone users have had exactly that situation, they still wait for a bugfix update to fix the worst bugs, and Motorola now leaves them hanging dry with no 2.2 and a locked bootloader on an unrootable phone)

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RE[2]: uggg
by nt_jerkface on Wed 21st Jul 2010 17:55 in reply to "RE: uggg"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Motorola made this so people are prevented to tinker with their phone. Their locking of the bootloader and other measures are artificial timebombs to retire the phone support and force people to buy the next phone. It is as simple as that.


No it isn't that simple, pirates have been making use of them as well.

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