Linked by Universal Mind on Fri 6th Aug 2010 16:16 UTC
Apple The "Macs are too expensive" argument is one of the most tiresome and long-lived flamewars in internet history. Obviously, Apple makes a premium product and charges premium prices, and you can always find a computer from another vendor that seems to match or exceed specs that costs less. But if you look at Apple's Mac Pro line, and compare it not so much to other vendors, but to the past lineup of Mac Pros, you discover some very unpleasant truths that help explain why Apple is enjoying record earnings for their Mac line, but doing so to the detriment of some its most loyal and valuable customers.
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Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues? Its not like they are selling drinking water or some other commodity with a well established quantitative measure of quality.

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tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues?

Apple doesn't have just "some" issues -- Apple has constant, chronic design/engineering mishaps.

The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't know what your intention is with your posts, but you aren't really arguing very well. Its very easy to compare a product vs "competitors" and find it either lacking or superior depending on whcih competitor you are speaking of.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion, name an electronics company to compare Apple to. Simply listing defects from a single company doesn't give a neutral reader a sense of normalcy. To what standard should you apply towards apple's products? Should each and every product they create be perfect? Do other manufacturers not have similar problems?

I would suggest that the automobile industry might be a good comparison. even the luxury, premium cars have issues. Simply having some, is not enough to disqualify them from retaining the "premium" label. I would suggest the electronics industry is similar.

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werpu Member since:
2006-01-18

"Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues?

Apple doesn't have just "some" issues -- Apple has constant, chronic design/engineering mishaps.

The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.
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I would not call Apple worse than others, but what really annoys me is their we try to weasel out mentality until they get either a class action lawsuit on their neck or bad press coverage.
The classical example of this is the Macbook Air, a bugridden overpriced piece of solid overheating garbage. There never was a recall and to the worse two additional series with the same heating problems as the first one. Why was this never fixed:

a) First because it is broken by design
b) Because the air was a nieche product only used by a subset of people so the shit never hit the fan so seriously that Apple ever would do something to rectify the problem

Too bad if you shelled out 2500 dollars for the initial piece of aluminium then you basically were screwed because the symtoms usually did show up later than the usual 30 days grace period.

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Chicken Blood Member since:
2005-12-21

"Can you name any electronics manufacturer of apple's stature that does not have some issues?

Apple doesn't have just "some" issues -- Apple has constant, chronic design/engineering mishaps.

The total number of all such serious design/engineering problems for the past decade from all of the other major electronics manufacturers combined is less than the number of Apple blunders on the above list. And that list is not exhaustive nor does it include any of Apples GUI problems.
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Do you have any real numbers to support that assertion? You are so full of shit, it's amazing. The anti-Apple vitriol is going to give you a seizure one day.

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aliquis Member since:
2005-07-23

Most of the problems most likely come from Apples desire to design great looking products.

Such as the fan noise, black screens / crashing applications due to GPU issues, smashed glass surfaces, shorted magsafe connectors, poor battery performance (cramped design = hotter = kill lithium-ion batteries faster = worse battery performance), not working DVD-burners, the issues with the mouse, ...

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nicolasgoddone Member since:
2009-04-20

You are right, all manufacturers have hw problems from time to time, but at least they don't market their stuff as the panachea to all their problems or go deleting posts in their support forums when start to pop up now do they?

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

I don't know. You haven't specified "who" you are talking about. I'd be surprised if Apple was the only one guilty of it. Of course, apple also gets much more press than dell, Microsoft, Hp, asus, acer, creative labs, logitech, cannonical, or red hat * so there sins are magnified as well.


* See how easy that is? I just thought of competing companies and named them! Is that too much to ask?

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