Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Oct 2010 21:56 UTC
Legal So, Google has finally officially responded (thanks for hosting, Engadget) to Oracle's patent and copyright infringement lawsuit against the search giant's Android mobile operating system. Apart from boatloads of pages on how Google pretty much denies any and all claims, there's a lot of interesting stuff in there - stuff that doesn't seem to bode well if the courts do decide Google is infringing Oracle's patents. It also makes it crystal clear that anyone who values Free and open source software should avoid Oracle products like the plague.
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Sorry Google stuffed up.
by oiaohm on Tue 5th Oct 2010 22:21 UTC
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Sun was refusing to give the TCK due to the fact apache was wanting to use a more open license than GPL. 5000 USD would have given google access to what you need to test TCK conformance ie Java Compatibility Test Tools (Java CTT). To individuals cost is nothing.

Even so android implementation would still fail. Reason 1 and its a big one. Out the box android implementation cannot run native Java bytecode. Even if it was just shipped with a on the fly converter to Googles. So the implementation fails.

Remember one of the key objectives of java is 1 binary everywhere. Google android fails this. Anyone show much an android app that is using Google byte code system that will run on windows and linux.

Sorry Oracle is no the only bad guy here. Google is also a bad guy due to the way they have done things.

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RE: Sorry Google stuffed up.
by wargum on Tue 5th Oct 2010 22:33 in reply to "Sorry Google stuffed up."
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Look, if all you do is take a piece of FOSS and manipulate it in ways the license allowes you to and you can still be sued, something is terribly wrong.

I live in the EU, Germany to be specific. Software patents are illegal over here and an attempt to legalize software patents got rejected by the european parliament. It was the first time ever that the parliement rejected a bill that was proposed by the European Council.

So, at least for now, this is the sane part of the world I live in ;)

Think of the worst thing you can imagine, multiply this by infinity and you'll see just how bad software patents are.

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That is the problem, Google didn't manipulate it in ways that license allows. Oracle (or Sun) never released Java under ASL. They released it under GPL. Google decided that they will like to use reverse-engineered and ASL-licensed Harmony as base of Dalvik. GPL patent clause only work to protect GPL'd modification. Dalvik is viewed by Oracle as competitor because anybody can take it and make proprietary fork. IBM would like to do that. So that is probably biggest reason why they are suing.

Google could still rebase on OpenJDK and get out of this mess. OpenJDK class library is superior to that of Harmony.

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