Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Oct 2010 19:02 UTC
Apple So, Apple held its usual autumn press get-together just now, and after a few rather uninspiring ones (to me, at least), they finally managed to blow me away, with the new MacBook Air (especially the 11.6" variant). They also gave a sneak peek at Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, which has... An App Store. An App Store Apple is going to open on Snow Leopard within 90 days.
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RE[2]: Well...
by kaiwai on Thu 21st Oct 2010 06:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Well..."
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Your post was reasonably sound up until ...

I'm still curious to see how many Apple users will buy this and let their main computer gradually become as closed and tightly-controlled as a phone.

Nothing about this computer is in any way closed or tightly controlled any more then the last gen MacBook Air right? Or are you bitching today about some potential future you might not like.


I don't even think it is that; he hates Apple and it is an around about way to attack them by dreaming up some conspiracy theory that has no basis in reality. If Apple gave away $200 cash with every laptop purchased he would claim that Apple was trying to flush the economy with money to raise inflation and crash the value of the US dollar thus Apple is the enemy of the United States.

The cold hard reality is that as the number of Mac's grow the more you'll hear conspiracy theorist crap from the peanut gallery and I simply don't see it changing any time soon.

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RE[3]: Well...
by TheGZeus on Thu 21st Oct 2010 06:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Well..."
TheGZeus Member since:
2010-05-19

"WE WELL CONQUER! YOUR SOULS WILL BE SAVED!"

I like how you called him paranoid and speculative, then proceeded to say that you will gain a majority market share, and to shun the unbeliever.
Sounds like speculation and the words of kind of person I'd be paranoid about giving a say in anything.
This is my problem with capitalism run rampant.
Treating the market like a pure democracy while forgetting the fact that there's never been a pure democracy, and pure democracy truly _is_ mob rule.

So, since there's one born every minute, Apple will probably gain more market share, until they stop making real computers, and Steve dies.

I think there will actually be a few people that will jump off of very tall things that day, and I will laugh.

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RE[4]: Well...
by kaiwai on Thu 21st Oct 2010 07:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

"WE WELL CONQUER! YOUR SOULS WILL BE SAVED!"

I like how you called him paranoid and speculative, then proceeded to say that you will gain a majority market share, and to shun the unbeliever.
Sounds like speculation and the words of kind of person I'd be paranoid about giving a say in anything.
This is my problem with capitalism run rampant.
Treating the market like a pure democracy while forgetting the fact that there's never been a pure democracy, and pure democracy truly _is_ mob rule.

So, since there's one born every minute, Apple will probably gain more market share, until they stop making real computers, and Steve dies.

I think there will actually be a few people that will jump off of very tall things that day, and I will laugh.


I never said that; when has 'growing Mac numbers' equal majority? if you actually read my posts instead of being a complete f--kwitt you'd see what my position is on the matter but then again lying seems to be something you're quite comfortable doing.

For a person who has suddenly registered in the last 5 months you seem to have a lot to say for yourself. It took you 10 years to finally find this website and register or are you yet another person who has millions of sock puppets simply to stir up trouble in an otherwise harmonious forum.

Edited 2010-10-21 07:45 UTC

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RE[3]: Well...
by Neolander on Thu 21st Oct 2010 07:22 in reply to "RE[2]: Well..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Riiight...

-We already know what Apple is capable of by having a look at the iTunes-iOS ecosystem and the part of OSX's TOS saying that you can't install it on a non-Apple computer.
-This ecosystem has proven to be more lucrative (selling a phone for the price of a laptop and having Apple get a benefit for every single developer on the platform and a margin on every single app. Selling an expensive Mac to everyone wanting to try OSX)
-OSX will soon include an App Store, with the same TOS as iOS' initial ones. Almost a pixel-perfect copy.
-It will also start to behave like iOS : full-screen applications favored, application grid with iOS-like folders.

What is a "basis in reality" for you exactly ?

Edited 2010-10-21 07:33 UTC

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RE[4]: Well...
by kaiwai on Thu 21st Oct 2010 07:54 in reply to "RE[3]: Well..."
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Riiight...


Stop being a jackass - if you're saying that kind of shit on a forum it is clear that your parents didn't beat you enough when you were young.

-We already know what Apple is capable of by having a look at the iTunes-iOS ecosystem and the part of OSX's TOS saying that you can't install it on a non-Apple computer.


So what - Apple doesn't differentiate between its hardware and software; the heart of the Mac is Mac OS X - no different than a firmware upgrade but instead of being a download you purchase it from a store. Don't like the conditions then don't purchase the product and use something else. Millions have exercised their right to choose and have gone for PC's instead and guess what sugar dimples, you can do the same.

-This ecosystem has proven to be more lucrative (selling a phone for the price of a laptop and having Apple get a benefit for every single developer on the platform and a margin on every single app. Selling an expensive Mac to everyone wanting to try OSX)


How the f--k do you have a lucrative thing going when the AppStore/iTunes only generates enough revenue to stay neutral on the books - so when the hell as 'neutral' in terms of profitability been equal to 'raking in the cash'?

-OSX will soon include an App Store, with the same TOS as iOS' initial ones. Almost a pixel-perfect copy.
-It will also start to behave like iOS : full-screen applications favored, application grid with iOS-like folders.

What is a "basis in reality" for you exactly ?


All you've shown is that the AppStore has come to Mac OS X as an option for people to install from, and Apple will probably use that as a way to sell their applications through - they might even break up their suite to allow individual parts of the iLife suit to be bought rather than forcing the purchasing of all the applications at once as they do today.

As for 'full-screen applications' - what f--king video did you watch? I watched a video where iPages was installed and ran like a normal application, accessible via the dock and this new gizmo they've added to access applications. Again you've provided no evidence that Apple will make AppStore the exclusive way to purchase applications nor have you provided any evidence that Apple is replacing one UI with another other than the appearance of a secondary option and your speculation that it will end up in that direction.

Here is the difference between you and I, I don't pull stuff out of my ass with an authoritative post and claim that some how I'm privileged to information that no other bugger on planet earth is privileged to. I go based on what Apple has said publicly and what they've said publicly is that the AppStore will compliment the traditional way of purchasing applications just as the iPad isn't designed to replace the tradition computer but to compliment it.

Edited 2010-10-21 07:58 UTC

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