Linked by Hadrien Grasland on Sat 15th Jan 2011 18:02 UTC
Graphics, User Interfaces As an answer to someone asking whether Unity will require a working OpenGL stack to operate in Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal", Mark Shuttleworth announced that Canonical would offer an optional, QT-based, "2D" implementation of Unity. Here is a video, too.
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WTF?!?
by MacMan on Sat 15th Jan 2011 18:44 UTC
MacMan
Member since:
2006-11-19

So this is for environments that don't have 3D, like ARM notebooks and so forth. These envs also don't have a great deal of RAM.

So am I the only one who thinks having a dependency on the QT monster AND freaking QT JavaScript is a good idea for a Gnome/GTK desktop?

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RE: WTF?!?
by vivainio on Sat 15th Jan 2011 19:09 in reply to "WTF?!?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


So am I the only one who thinks having a dependency on the QT monster AND freaking QT JavaScript is a good idea for a Gnome/GTK desktop?


Perhaps Ubuntu won't be a "Gnome/GTK desktop" forever? Just saying.

It is a good idea if it helps Ubuntu make a compelling experience with less work. People who object to it are free to run other stuff. Or get a job and buy a computer with more than 256megs of ram.

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by Hiev on Sat 15th Jan 2011 19:18 in reply to "RE: WTF?!?"
RE[2]: WTF?!?
by WereCatf on Sat 15th Jan 2011 19:30 in reply to "RE: WTF?!?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Or get a job and buy a computer with more than 256megs of ram.

That's a very arrogant and ignorant thing to say and quite clearly shows how much thought you put behind the whole thing..

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RE[2]: WTF?!?
by Mellin on Sat 15th Jan 2011 23:28 in reply to "RE: WTF?!?"
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

and pay the microsoft tax and get a windows 7 PC


you can only get windows pcs or macs in sweden if you go the the big stores and middle size stores

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RE: WTF?!?
by puelocesar on Sat 15th Jan 2011 19:39 in reply to "WTF?!?"
puelocesar Member since:
2008-10-30

Well, considering how absurdly easy is to create an interface like this on QML, and how hard it would be doing it on Gtk, and also considering you are not paying for this guys doing the software, I agree with the developers decision.

Just saying...

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RE[2]: WTF?!?
by Hiev on Sat 15th Jan 2011 20:00 in reply to "RE: WTF?!?"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

You are getting it wrong.

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RE: WTF?!?
by puelocesar on Sat 15th Jan 2011 19:44 in reply to "WTF?!?"
puelocesar Member since:
2008-10-30

So... Qt is heavy and slow right?

Sorry to disagree: http://www.osnews.com/story/24261/1_Second_Linux_Boot_to_QT_

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RE[2]: WTF?!?
by Hiev on Sat 15th Jan 2011 20:00 in reply to "RE: WTF?!?"
Hiev Member since:
2005-09-27

Qt ain't that heavy and is not that slow.

But people may take that perception becuase the main apps. that use Qt are heavy and slow, for example: they perceip KDE as heavy, bloatted and slow, hense they assume Qt is the same. But not really.

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RE: WTF?!?
by Radio on Sat 15th Jan 2011 20:02 in reply to "WTF?!?"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

So am I the only one who thinks having a dependency on the QT monster AND freaking QT JavaScript is a good idea for a Gnome/GTK desktop?

Maybe because you still think that Qt is and will be a ressource hog. Which is exactly why it has been adopted by Nokia, y'know...

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RE: WTF?!?
by Delgarde on Sun 16th Jan 2011 20:27 in reply to "WTF?!?"
Delgarde Member since:
2008-08-19

So this is for environments that don't have 3D, like ARM notebooks and so forth. These envs also don't have a great deal of RAM.

So am I the only one who thinks having a dependency on the QT monster AND freaking QT JavaScript is a good idea for a Gnome/GTK desktop?


That was my first thought too... machines that need the 2D fallback are the machines that will struggle most to run both GTK and Qt-based software stacks at once.

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RE[2]: WTF?!?
by vivainio on Sun 16th Jan 2011 20:37 in reply to "RE: WTF?!?"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26

That was my first thought too... machines that need the 2D fallback are the machines that will struggle most to run both GTK and Qt-based software stacks at once.


Not really.

Machines that need 2D fallback are the machines that don't have proper GPU drivers (as is often the case with ARM). They may well have good amounts of RAM available.

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RE: WTF?!?
by seanpk on Mon 17th Jan 2011 12:40 in reply to "WTF?!?"
seanpk Member since:
2009-11-17

I think it might actually be nice to have the base toolkits for running the most popular free software installed by default.
Especially since the software center doesn't tell novice users that one application depends on GTK+ and another on Qt.
Yesterday my wife, who uses the GIMP so sporadically has to re-learn it every time, thought she might install another (simpler) graphics program. She found KolourPaint in the software center ... but there on our home network it was taking too long to download, so she gave up.

Probably the software center should have some way of recommending software based on the smallest download size / dependency list, but all the same, had Qt already been there, it would be a much smaller problem.

/rambling

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