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Amiga & AROS Icaros Desktop, the distribution for i386 PC of the AROS Research Operating System (an open source revival of classic AmigaOS) reached version 1.2.6 and introduces new improvements and features.
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7-Zip
by Mage66 on Fri 4th Feb 2011 03:22 UTC
Mage66
Member since:
2005-07-11

My only problem is the developers insistence on using a proprietary compression method on their files.

I just don't want to install 7-Zip just to de-crypt one file. Complaints to the developers go unheeded.

There's a reason everyone used ZIP compression. It's a standard, and widely supported. 7z files aren't.

The developers of AROS are more interested in forcing their compression program preference on users than providing something that user can use. There really isn't a reason to compress .iso files anyway.

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RE: 7-Zip
by ChoK on Fri 4th Feb 2011 03:32 in reply to "7-Zip"
ChoK Member since:
2010-06-02

7z is not proprietary, the specs are documented and 7-zip sources are available under the LGPL.

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RE: 7-Zip
by TheOtherPJ on Fri 4th Feb 2011 03:54 in reply to "7-Zip"
TheOtherPJ Member since:
2006-07-18

http://www.7-zip.org/

Free, Flossy, and their tool is a big improvement over winrar on windows...

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RE: 7-Zip
by umccullough on Fri 4th Feb 2011 04:19 in reply to "7-Zip"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

There's a reason everyone used ZIP compression. It's a standard, and widely supported. 7z files aren't.


.zip is also ancient and inefficient (space-wise) compared to newer compression methods such as bz2, 7z, and xz - time to get out of the stone age eh?

I've been using 7zip (software) exclusively for all my archiving needs on Windows for years now - it creates ultra-tight .zip files too for those who need compatibility.

Edited 2011-02-04 04:19 UTC

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RE[2]: 7-Zip
by AmigaRobbo on Fri 4th Feb 2011 07:50 in reply to "RE: 7-Zip"
AmigaRobbo Member since:
2005-11-15

So why didn't they use it create an 'Ultra-tight' standard openable on everything .zip file? Instead of something that requires the user to spend 5-10 minutes finding some obscure often strange program that opens it?

They want people to try this, why add the additional step? to save 4 or 5 MB of a 216.3MB download?

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RE: 7-Zip
by Bobthearch on Fri 4th Feb 2011 06:04 in reply to "7-Zip"
Bobthearch Member since:
2006-01-27

The nice thing (for users) about .zip files is that Windows can extract those without any additional software.

But what a minor thing to upset about. Just install one of the multi-format compression utilities; you'll undoubtedly need it more than just this once.

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v RE[2]: 7-Zip
by Mage66 on Fri 4th Feb 2011 06:19 in reply to "RE: 7-Zip"
RE: 7-Zip
by paolone on Fri 4th Feb 2011 09:16 in reply to "7-Zip"
paolone Member since:
2007-09-24

1. The Live! version come in a auto-extracting archive, so you won't have to install anything to extract it. If you don't use Windows but Linux, you are supposed to rename the file cutting the '.exe' and leaving just the final '.7z' extension, and there are 90% chances that your distribution's file and package managers will be able to handle it. If you're using MacOS, than you'll probably have to spend 5 minutes of your time to download 7zip.

2. As other said, 7zip is open, free, and produces smaller archives than classic zip. Smaller archives means also minor download time, minor spent energy, and also minor bandwidth used to transfer the file. A difference of a few dozens megabytes over a 700 MB file might seems small for a single user downloading it, but when downloads are some thousands, they turn into many gigabytes or even a terabyte off. I think you can easily figure the economic and ecologic gain of it.

3. I can't exactly understand why a person that makes downloading of a single program a problem, should download and install a whole new operating system that will bring him the necessity of learning everything from scratch. You have issues downloading and installing a little, simple, tiny file decompressor... what will you do when you'll not find your 'explorer', your 'firefox' or your 'opera' anymore?

4. Your trolling about the 7zip issue had success: nobody actually talked about the distribution, about AROS progresses, about all the efforts we put into this, but you succeeded turning this thread into a compilation of obvious answers. All this with a pathetic rant about a compression format. Applause.

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RE: 7-Zip
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 4th Feb 2011 09:25 in reply to "7-Zip"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

My only problem is the developers insistence on using a proprietary compression method on their files.

I just don't want to install 7-Zip just to de-crypt one file. Complaints to the developers go unheeded.

There's a reason everyone used ZIP compression. It's a standard, and widely supported. 7z files aren't.

The developers of AROS are more interested in forcing their compression program preference on users than providing something that user can use. There really isn't a reason to compress .iso files anyway.


You want to download and use en entirely new experimental operating system, yet complain about having to install 7-zip?

Fail.

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RE[2]: 7-Zip
by tylerdurden on Fri 4th Feb 2011 23:49 in reply to "RE: 7-Zip"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

Ha! exactly.

Hater's gonna hate ;-)

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RE: 7-Zip
by viton on Fri 4th Feb 2011 11:25 in reply to "7-Zip"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

7-zip is a modern open compression format.
ZIP was proprietary, but 7-zip is free and opensource.

BTW everyone around me has 7-zip installed.
Maybe it is a time to leave the ancient cage you're in?

Edited 2011-02-04 11:30 UTC

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