Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Feb 2011 23:11 UTC
In the News "So why do all these American reporters, who know quite well that they get praise and money for doing what Assange has done, stand in a silence that can only be called cowardly, while a fellow publisher faces threats of extradition, banning, prosecution for spying - which can incur the death penalty - and calls for his assassination? [...] U.S. journalism's business model is collapsing; the people who should be out in front defending Assange are facing cut salaries or unemployment because of the medium that Assange represents. These journalists are not willing to concede that Assange is, of course, a publisher, rather than some sort of hybrid terrorist blogger, because of their self-interested prejudices against a medium in which they are not the gatekeepers." Great article - focussing on the US, but just as applicable in the rest of the world (except the great nation of Iceland, obviously). The internet could very well become the single most important 'invention' in human history. We must stand guard against our governments getting their filthy, inefficient, censoring, controlling, and damaging hands on it.
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Comment by LighthouseJ
by LighthouseJ on Tue 8th Feb 2011 12:31 UTC
LighthouseJ
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2009-06-18

yay, more of Thom's diatribes about wikileaks.

Assange started Wilileaks with noble and idealistic goals of revealing everyones' secrets, but since descended into an anti-US outfit. Have you read what's in the leaked cables? They contain less of scandalous acts, and more about state-to-state communiques from other countries that need help with a particular issue. Think about it, we really haven't found a smoking gun, just introspection into how the US State department views and interacts with other countries -- totally benign if you ask me. I think that's where a lot of people misunderstand Wikileaks, because they believe it reveals something new, but really just confirms their anti-US bias because it's been an anti-US act.

Then Thom wraps it all up in a "ohhh, we need to save the noble reporters! for shame!" to give our expected outcry some purpose. Maybe Thom can fit Keith Olbermann's timeslot on MSNBC.

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RE: Comment by LighthouseJ
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 8th Feb 2011 12:47 in reply to "Comment by LighthouseJ"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

but since descended into an anti-US outfit


1) I think you should re-read what Wikileaks has done. There's a boatload of non-US stuff in there.

2) And maybe - just maybe - Wikileaks covers the US a lot because, I don't know, the US government (not the people) is composed of people with questionable morals? Bush openly admitted - without regret or remorse - that he approved torture, for instance. The US is simply a very untrustworthy nation, with a lot of people high up in the government that ought to appear before an international court of law.

Also, the US, supposedly an ally of ours, has invasion plans against my country. I'm sorry, but if there is one country that needs to be brought down a peg, it's the US. At least countries like China are open about what they are and what they are not.

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LighthouseJ Member since:
2009-06-18

funny that my post gets modded down. it's getting even more predictable around here.

So, you just tell me to re-read reports, what, until I agree with you, because you're correct?

And your entire 2nd point is completely off-topic with my original post and your article, and frankly shows your naked prejudiced reasons for posting these anti-US articles.

I don't disagree that the US has flaws and flawed people, most I believe won't. But the real point that you've dodged is that these cables simply do not reveal anything new that we did not already know. Rather, people like yourself treat it like some massive revelation and that now is the downward turning point for the United States, when it's what you've secretly wanted for a long time.

I'm fine with bringing those people before a judge, but if you think the leaked documents reveal who they are, then they've missed the mark. All they were intended to do is to harm the relationships between the US and other countries, and then isolate the US.

Lastly, of course the US has invasion plans to a lot of countries, but that's what you do with a massive defense budget. I think it's done more of an exercise so the US can think as devious as any other country that might want to invade the US.

I do laugh at you comparing the US to the openness of China though. Go and ask them about being open to acknowledging Taiwan and Tibet, them jailing the 2010 Nobel Peace Prize Winner Liu Xiaobo, etc... oh Thom, you kill me.

You, and others too, should get to know the United States more.

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RE[2]: Comment by LighthouseJ
by bnolsen on Tue 8th Feb 2011 14:56 in reply to "RE: Comment by LighthouseJ"
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2006-01-06

uhh waterboarding isn't torture. How do you twist that around??? Our own government used to waterboard its own people to show them interrogation techniques...torture is something entirely different.

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RE[2]: Comment by LighthouseJ
by abraxas on Wed 9th Feb 2011 01:49 in reply to "RE: Comment by LighthouseJ"
abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

And maybe - just maybe - Wikileaks covers the US a lot because, I don't know, the US government (not the people) is composed of people with questionable morals?


I guess you missed the part where WikiLeaks exposed the fact that the US foreign service was actually performing quite well and fairly compared to other nations. Some poor choices were made during the Bush administration but the proof is in the pudding and the US is actually living up to what it is saying in public concerning foreign affairs.

It has become almost common knowledge that everyone in the US government is corrupt but that's just BS. Every other nation has at least as many issues with corruption and moral depravity. Some are even worse, including some western countries. The US just has the biggest target on its back. It's a lot easier and more self assuring to find fault with the big bad United States than it is with most other western countries.

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Contingency Plans
by zlynx on Thu 10th Feb 2011 21:26 in reply to "RE: Comment by LighthouseJ"
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20


Also, the US, supposedly an ally of ours, has invasion plans against my country. I'm sorry, but if there is one country that needs to be brought down a peg, it's the US. At least countries like China are open about what they are and what they are not.


The US military has invasion plans against every country including Canada and Antarctica, which isn't even a country. They've even war-gamed alien invasion scenarios.

The military would be neglecting their duty if they did otherwise. Strange things happen in real life and being prepared is always better than not.

Now, I doubt that your country has realistic plans to invade and conquer the US (although they might, something tricky like nuclear C&C decapitation strikes blamed on someone else plus stirring up an invasion from Mexico, come in as a UN peacekeeping force to "help" and end up conquering, for some value of it).

I would bet that your government does have plans for infiltration and commando operations in the US. After all, what if they didn't plan for it and the need suddenly came up to arrest an international criminal hiding out or being protected in the US? Without plans already made it could take too much time to do.

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