Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 14th Mar 2011 18:59 UTC
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y And over the weekend, the saga regarding Canonical, GNOME, and KDE has continued. Lots of comments all over the web, some heated, some well-argued, some wholly indifferent. Most interestingly, Jeff Waugh and Dave Neary have elaborated on GNOME's position after the initial blog posts by Shuttleworth and Seigo, providing a more coherent look at GNOME's side of the story.
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RE[3]: F**k this shit!
by nt_jerkface on Tue 15th Mar 2011 01:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: F**k this shit!"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

This is more of the same deluded thinking that needs to end.

The Linux kernel is not magic. Both Windows and OSX can run corporate software without any problems. There is no kernel bottleneck with Windows or OSX.

The open process has not given the Linux kernel supernatural abilities. This type of thinking reminds me of WWII history where Germans believed their special Teutonic spirit would defeat the allies even when the odds were clearly against them.

Don't bet on mysticism.

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RE[4]: F**k this shit!
by oiaohm on Tue 15th Mar 2011 01:54 in reply to "RE[3]: F**k this shit!"
oiaohm Member since:
2009-05-30

This is more of the same deluded thinking that needs to end.

The Linux kernel is not magic. Both Windows and OSX can run corporate software without any problems. There is no kernel bottleneck with Windows or OSX.

Incorrect as normal. nt_jerkface. Please go and look how you do fully functional real-time support on Windows. There are some major bottlenecks inside windows just like any other OS. In fact one of the biggest disruptions to real-time on x86 archs can becoming from the motherboard. SMM http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Management_Mode Thank you intel for adding something that ruins the platform.

Also a lot of crashes on windows can be traced to kernel mode driver conflicts. Yes there is not magic.

There is also commercial software that installs on many different Linux distributions without issue as well.

The open process has not given the Linux kernel supernatural abilities. This type of thinking reminds me of WWII history where Germans believed their special Teutonic spirit would defeat the allies even when the odds were clearly against them.


Really the open process does not give the kernel supernatural abilities but it does prevent black box connecting to black box equaling untraceable failure.

There are cases of Windows 7 SP1 destroying stored data on harddrives that do directly track to black box + black box equal o my god data loss. The ide controller driver worked perfectly with Windows 7 but the SP1 has changed some of the interfaces locking methods now leading to data lose since the locking in the OS is not what the driver expects any more. Yes you don't need to change the ABI to break drivers from time to time 12 ways from sunday.

Open Process prevents these nightmares. Particular places you don't want black box + black box. Also note for core drivers like this Linux tries to have them all in 1 tree so alteration here does not lead to incompatible there.

Really supernatural abilities is believing that you can connect a stack of black boxs up with each other built to a interface spec and not have something strange to extremely bad not happen from time to time.

OS X and Windows are following a supernatural way of doing things. Yes it works for a while but one day it badly wrong.

nt_jerkface your argument against Linux in a lot of ways is baseless. Main reason why Linux does not have many commercial apps is market-share nothing else. Its not like supporting multi versions of windows is a walk in the park.

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RE[5]: F**k this shit!
by nt_jerkface on Tue 15th Mar 2011 02:15 in reply to "RE[4]: F**k this shit!"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Please go and look how you do fully functional real-time support on Windows.


I think you exaggerate this feature as you have in the past but even at face value it means nothing to 99.9% of corporations or users.

Also a lot of crashes on windows can be traced to kernel mode driver conflicts. Yes there is not magic.


Linux is more likely to crash from driver conflicts, especially if it is related to video. Just ask Thom.

There are cases of Windows 7 SP1 destroying stored data on harddrives that do directly track to black box + black box equal o my god data loss.


Haven't heard of that. But I do know about the data loss issues with EXT4.
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/03/19/1730247/Ext4-Data-Losses-E...

nt_jerkface your argument against Linux in a lot of ways is baseless. Main reason why Linux does not have many commercial apps is market-share nothing else.


Commercial apps like VMServer that have been broken with kernel updates.

As I have pointed out before the iphone had better commercial software support when it had 1/10th the marketshare of Linux. Linux could be more appealing to proprietary software and hardware developers but the people behind it simply don't give a shit. They value open source ideology over market share. That's a fact, not an opinion.

But keep defending the status quo. MS would be upset if Linus & co decided to provide a platform that was proprietary friendly. They like how Linux stays ideological and at 1%. You probably deserve a few dozen copies of Windows 7 for all the defending you do of the status quo. That and a mac mini from Apple.

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