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Debian and its clones Writing about Debian is not a simple thing. You know it's the giant that has spawned pretty much every other distro out there. It's almost like a Roman Empire, almost a taboo. Furthermore, it's not a desktop distro per se. It's more sort of a template you use to build your platform. It's also a SOHO server distro, therefore it more fits into the business category, comparable to CentOS and similar.
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Morgan
Member since:
2005-06-29

Which laptop isn't meant to be hardwired? They all have network adapters.


The network adapter in a laptop is a backup in case a wireless signal is nowhere to be found; they are inherently portable devices that are meant to be used wirelessly. Or do you carry a 300ft CAT-6 cable with your laptop so you can be connected while "mobile"?

I don't see any claims or allusions to widespread hardware support out of the box on their website. Debian isn't a consumer product and doesn't pretend to be one.


Neither does Slackware claim such support, but it's there. It's in the kernel, the same kernel that's in Debian, the same kernel that's in any modern distro. By your logic, Debian shouldn't recognize your USB keyboard, your DVI-based LCD monitor, your SATA controller, indeed any hardware that's not on a PC-XT.

Why is it so hard to admit that Debian Squeeze has some bugs to be fixed? My god, it's a mainstay of Linux and all other F/OSS software that there will always be bugs to be squished, and functionality to improve upon, and so on. Don't get so butthurt because you think someone is picking on your baby OS. The original reviewer was too negative in my opinion, but he was right: Debian Squeeze needed more polish before release, and that's in comparison to its own last version, not just the other distros out there.

To put it another way: It's less capable than the last release. How is that kind of regression not a problem?

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robgarth Member since:
2006-04-30

Less capable in what way. No one claimed the the hardware was supported in Lenny. Non-free is not included on the install media. This is a choice not a failing.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I was referring to fully open source hardware; see my earlier posts about my wireless card having full kernel support for several years now due to being open source, yet in this new version of Debian the userland support is removed for some strange reason. Said userland support is still present in Slackware, Arch, Ubuntu, and I suspect Fedora and other mainstream distros as well.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

The network adapter in a laptop is a backup in case a wireless signal is nowhere to be found

It can also be used when no wireless driver is to be found. Plugging a laptop into a router really isn't a big deal. I've had to do it with XP numerous times.

Neither does Slackware claim such support, but it's there.

Well you would have to make a comparison with multiple cards to make a convincing argument. But even if you concluded that Slackware has better wireless support.....so what? I don't know why the hell anyone would go with Debian if hardware support is a priority. As with FreeBSD I would assume that it would need some extra tweaking for wireless, hence installing with ether.

Why is it so hard to admit that Debian Squeeze has some bugs to be fixed? My god, it's a mainstay of Linux and all other F/OSS software that there will always be bugs to be squished, and functionality to improve upon, and so on. Don't get so butthurt because you think someone is picking on your baby OS.


My baby OS? LOL I don't use Linux on the desktop and on the server Debian would probably be the last distro I would use. But I don't see them trying to bullshit anyone into believing they are some super awesome distro that will detect all your hardware. I thought it was common knowledge that it is the distro of choice for GPL loons and user friendliness is not a priority. Maybe they should put a disclaimer on the website.

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

I'm sorry I misinterpreted your feelings towards Debian; I assumed from your tone that you were being extra defensive of something you cared about. I often forget that you're the master of Devil's Advocate here. ;)

I do understand what you're getting at, and I agree that Debian has never claimed user friendliness. My issue is that it seems, in my own experience as well as the reviewer's, to have regressed from the last release. It's one thing to be a newbie-unfriendly OS; after all, two of my favorites, Slackware and Arch are kings there. It's quite another thing to regress and drop functionality, especially for a core service such as networking. I would understand completely if my wireless card's manufacturer had suddenly closed the source and the kernel team removed support, but nothing of the sort has happened, and in fact the company is opening up drivers for many more of its chipsets. (RaLink if you're curious)

Maybe I've just become lazy and spoiled by Slackware. (o.O)

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daschmidty Member since:
2007-03-01

I just felt the need to point this out somewhere, although I haven't used the new Debian, so I can't comment on it in particular. I notice a large number of the rebuttals people have made to complaints about hardware support (particularly wifi) focus on the fact that windows XP is equally bad. That may be true, but it isn't entirely reasonable to make an apples-to-apples comparison between an os released 3 weeks ago and one released 8 years ago. One would hope things have progressed since 2003.

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