Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Apr 2011 22:59 UTC
Windows And yes, the stream of controlled Windows 8 leaks continues. This time around, Thurrot and Rivera have published a number of screenshots from Windows 8's brand-new tablet user interface, and surprise surprise, its built on Metro, the same design language that underpins Windows Phone 7. Windows 8 will also include its own PDF reader, Modern Reader, which also happens to be the first application packaged in Microsoft's new AppX format. Update: Long Zheng has some technical details on AppX, including this little tidbit: "The extensive list of properties signifies the comprehensive scope of this system to be the ideal deployment strategy for 'applications', in all essence of the word. In fact, the AppX format is universal enough so it appears to work for everything from native Win32 applications to framework-based applications and even *gasp* web applications. Games are also supported."
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RE[4]: XPS dead?
by TemporalBeing on Tue 5th Apr 2011 15:44 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: XPS dead?"
TemporalBeing
Member since:
2007-08-22

"So no matter how good OpenOffice may ever be, MS will still dump money into Office - even if they have entirely lost the market. That's just how MS operates.


So? MS keeps dumping money into IE and yet Firefox is as popular as ever. Competition has been good for both.

If OpenOffice was close to Office 2007 in quality and functionality then MS would be in serious trouble. MS could dump 5 billion into Office but it wouldn't matter since most people would go with free and good enough.
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MS Office 2007 is a joke. They leveled the playing field for their customers to move to other Office Suites - transition costs (software, training, etc.) were actually lower to go to OpenOffice simply due to the retraining required for Office 2003 to Office 2007; let alone moving to other commercial products such as IBM Symphony, Sun/Oracle StarOffice, etc where at worst it was the same cost.

No, Office 2007 is not polish; and no better quality than any other Office Suite other there - including OpenOffice.

OpenOffice's primary issue is speed, primarily due to a poor internal architecture, reliance on Java, etc. They fix that, and OpenOffice will be far better performing.

Lets not forget OpenOffice - and all the derivatives by extension - have better MS Office Document compatibility than MS Office does (e.g. Office 6 vs. 97 vs 2002 vs 2003 vs 2007), better interoperability (e.g. OOXML vs. doc vs ODF vs. WordPerfect vs. etc), etc.

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RE[5]: XPS dead?
by nt_jerkface on Tue 5th Apr 2011 16:20 in reply to "RE[4]: XPS dead?"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

MS Office 2007 is a joke. They leveled the playing field for their customers to move to other Office Suites - transition costs (software, training, etc.) were actually lower to go to OpenOffice simply due to the retraining required for Office 2003 to Office 2007;


A joke that every business pays for, eh? OpenOffice is not a functional equivalent to even Office 2003. Put someone who uses Excel all day in front of it and they will give you a long list of complaints. I've seen this first hand.

OpenOffice's primary issue is speed, primarily due to a poor internal architecture, reliance on Java, etc. They fix that, and OpenOffice will be far better performing.


Java is not actually required to run OpenOffice.
http://download.openoffice.org/common/java.html

Your view of OpenOffice and Office is superficial and based on light use.

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RE[6]: XPS dead?
by TemporalBeing on Tue 5th Apr 2011 16:41 in reply to "RE[5]: XPS dead?"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

"MS Office 2007 is a joke. They leveled the playing field for their customers to move to other Office Suites - transition costs (software, training, etc.) were actually lower to go to OpenOffice simply due to the retraining required for Office 2003 to Office 2007;


A joke that every business pays for, eh?
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Most pay for it because they - or rather the corporate management - knows no better, buys into the sales from Microsoft, and don't realize that there are actual alternatives on the market - alternatives that may well meet their needs better.

OpenOffice is not a functional equivalent to even Office 2003. Put someone who uses Excel all day in front of it and they will give you a long list of complaints. I've seen this first hand.


I have.

Yes, there are many complaints about little things. But far fewer complaints than those same people moving to Office 2007.

A lot of those complaints can be quelled with a little education and instruction on OpenOffice.


"OpenOffice's primary issue is speed, primarily due to a poor internal architecture, reliance on Java, etc. They fix that, and OpenOffice will be far better performing.


Java is not actually required to run OpenOffice.
http://download.openoffice.org/common/java.html
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Actually it is. Yes, it is suppose to be only optional. But try running OpenOffice without Java installed. Major components are no longer available. Work is underway to remove a lot of that dependency, but it'll still be a while until then.

Most don't realize it - since they already have Java installed for other things.

Your view of OpenOffice and Office is superficial and based on light use.


No, I am quite a heavy user of OpenOffice; and have helped a number convert. It's not for everyone - but neither is MS Office.

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