Linked by RichterKuato on Tue 10th May 2011 21:35 UTC
Multimedia, AV "[Arno] Gourdol confirmed tonight [Flash Player] would get the full WebM support, which also includes the Vorbis audio encoding technology and a container to bundle the data together.[...] 'We don't have a timetable for it,' Gourdol said of WebM support in Flash. Important factors include hardware support, just getting under way today, and broad use of the technology, he said."
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RE: I'm torn...
by Lazarus on Tue 10th May 2011 23:54 UTC in reply to "I'm torn..."
Lazarus
Member since:
2005-08-10

I want WebM to succeed, but I want flash to die in the most painful way possible.


No, you really don't. The most painful way to die is slowly...

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RE[2]: I'm torn...
by 0brad0 on Wed 11th May 2011 00:41 in reply to "RE: I'm torn..."
0brad0 Member since:
2007-05-05

"I want WebM to succeed, but I want flash to die in the most painful way possible.


No, you really don't. The most painful way to die is slowly...
"

Except its already happening.

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RE[2]: I'm torn...
by lemur2 on Wed 11th May 2011 05:24 in reply to "RE: I'm torn..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"I want WebM to succeed, but I want flash to die in the most painful way possible.
No, you really don't. The most painful way to die is slowly... "

That is what may actually happen, because Flash has a lot of tools which support website creation. The issue of WebM vs H264 video doesn't really affect this much.

What is needed to supplant Flash is widely-available and sufficiently functional tools for website creation of HTML5/CSS3/SVG/ECMAscript websites (i.e. standards-compliant websites which don't require Flash but which are just as flashy, if you follow).

Enter BlueGriffon, announced yesterday.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/prweb2011/5/prweb8391644.htm

http://www.bluegriffon.org/

IMO, offerings such as BlueGriffon will do far more to hasten the demise of Flash than WebM support in Flash will do to delay that demise.

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RE[3]: I'm torn...
by CaptainN- on Wed 11th May 2011 17:32 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm torn..."
CaptainN- Member since:
2005-07-07

As a long time web developer, previously HTML/CSS/JavaScript enthusiast - the last thing I want is Flash's demise. I understand the hatred from Linux users (and OSX users to a lesser extent - though HTML sucked for a long time there too), but developing in HTML5 is garbage compared to Flash development.

That said, Adobe is moving solidly into the app space with AIR, Flash as a platform will be fine - and HTML can linger in it's perpetually incomplete headache space for all of eternity for all I care (call me bitter).

(I still hold on to a very tiny amount of hope that HTML will one day be complete and competitive as a real app platform - with the current players and games, I really don't have any expectations for it.)

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RE[3]: I'm torn...
by Neolander on Wed 11th May 2011 20:07 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm torn..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Sounds pretty nice, as a successor to NVU in the WYSIWYG HTML editor family, but I'm not sure if it's good for coding "real" websites though.

Also, a good competitor to Flash should offer vector animation facilities with good event management, so that Flash games may finally start to get some standards-compliant competition ^^

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RE[3]: I'm torn...
by lucas_maximus on Thu 12th May 2011 16:51 in reply to "RE[2]: I'm torn..."
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Doubt it.

It is a nice idea and will be good for basic websites.

Cross browser issues will still plague it and because the author is using a WYSIWYG tool they won't understand how to fix these issues when they load up the site in another browser (all browsers have rendering issues and bugs).

Also generated markup and CSS is always far from optimal, what about Mobile Devices (mobile web traffic will overtake traditional web traffic in 2014 according to some industry whitepapers).

Also there is no mention of Javascript?

Also Flash isn't supposed to be used for a whole website.

It is perfect to use on Games and Interactive Content that merge user interaction and video, Charts (though CSS 3.0 and JS can do this incredibly well now) and I am sure there are plenty of use cases that I can't think of.

Plugins aren't going away any time soon.

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