Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 00:39 UTC
Windows It's 2am here (edit: I'm done writing, it's 2:38am now), and I really ought to be sleeping right about now, but for some stupid arbitrary reason, the D9 conference is held at honestly irresponsible hours for us Europeans (and we rock, damnit). So, here I am, MacBook Air on my lap, camomile tea (the Empress of Teas) in my cup, because Microsoft just had to show Windows 8's new interface for the first time at this ungodly hour. Oh, and they unveiled some more interesting stuff about Windows 8. Update: The videos from D9 are up. Mossberg talking to Steve Sinofsky, and the Windows 8 demonstration by Larson-Green.
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RE: Nice work Microsoft!
by leos on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 14:49 UTC in reply to "Nice work Microsoft!"
leos
Member since:
2005-09-21

This UI is being built for that future, and not for the past. I'm far from being an MS fan-boy, but I'd like to say thank you to Microsoft for taking the bold steps that will enable this future to happen.


Yes very nice. You still haven't explained how serious work will be done using a touch interface. Don't get me wrong, I think tablets are awesome and for casual data interaction and light data creation tasks they work great, but think about what you work on all day. How much of that could feasibly work on a touch screen? 10%? 20%?, Maybe even 50%? I don't think we will ever get to 100%, because touch interaction is not suitable for a "sit down at your desk and work" use-case. It just isn't, no matter how clever the interface is.

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RE[2]: Nice work Microsoft!
by steve_s on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 17:23 in reply to "RE: Nice work Microsoft!"
steve_s Member since:
2006-01-16

How much of the work that I do all day could feasibly be done on a touch screen? I'd say 100%.

I'm a programmer, web developer, user interface designer, and mobile app developer. There is nothing that I do that could not be done on a touch-screen based computer as efficiently as I do today using a keyboard and mouse.

I'm not saying that it would be feasible for me to swap to a touch-based computer today - I'm talking about what will be possible in a few years. I'd like a large screen, as big as my plasma telly but with at least twice the resolution, that's either horizontal covering a desk top or angled up a little like a drafting table. Given that I don't think I'd want a physical keyboard getting between me and the screen, or a mouse and pointer getting in the way of me more directly interacting with the UI.

Fingers will obviously be the main interaction method for touch UIs, but for fine details you'll grab a pen. I rarely need to do such fine work myself though.

What will make this practical is redesigned user interfaces that bear touch interaction in mind. UI controls that are small and fiddly don't work - things need to be bigger and more tolerant of fat fingers. Using apps made for today's desktop UIs with fingers isn't going to fly - it didn't work too well for pen-based tablets either.

To restate, I firmly believe that 100% of my work could be done using a touch-based computing environment. Were I a graphic artist, a movie editor, or a musician I'd say the same. Pessimistically I'd say that in 10 years time this will be norm for all of these use-cases. Optimistically I expect that within 5 years touch will be dominant for all new machines and software.

The more pertinent question is what work do you think cannot be done feasibly on a touch screen, given a suitably designed UI?

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RE[3]: Nice work Microsoft!
by Neolander on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 17:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Nice work Microsoft!"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Basically, all work which implies having lots of features at once or working on a detailed object. Flat finger-based touchscreens will never be good at this, due to their terrible input resolution. Haptic feedback or pen input would be required before they become suitable for it.

As an example, drawing and handwriting with fingers is needlessly tedious and complicated, because either you use a finger-sized brush and have terrible precision, or you use a pixel-sized brush that writes at a random place on your finger's surface and must be ready to endure terrible headaches.

Coding is another example : the coding workflow (at least mine) implies seeing lots of code at once and being able to select/copy/paste code snippets quickly and easily. These goals are contradictory on a finger-based touchscreen : to allow for fast finger-based freeform selection, text must be really big, and even if you have a gigantic-sized screen it will still feel uncomfortable to visually parse lots of big text at once.

On the feature side... I can't imagine using something like a word processor on a finger-based touchscreen beyond a wordpad-like workflow where formatting is only a matter of changing font size and using underline/bold/italic functions. Packing that much features in an UI that can be used with big fingers while still being able to see what you're writing would mean that the interface would offer only little immediate access to the software's functionality. Tables, styles, pdf export, subscript/superscript, and other "minor" functionality would require switching interface tabs or going through kilometric menus.

Again, all these problems can be solved through use of a pen-based interface, even though in that case text input becomes an issue (as good as pen is for pointing, selecting, and drawing, it's horrible for inputting text, so you need to put down the pen each time you write). A pen + haptic feedback to make text input on a touchscreen comparable to a keyboard experience could do the trick and make touchscreens an acceptable universal interface for tomorrow. But touchscreens as they stand today ? No. Not good for my work.

Edited 2011-06-02 17:59 UTC

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RE[3]: Nice work Microsoft!
by twitterfire on Thu 2nd Jun 2011 23:00 in reply to "RE[2]: Nice work Microsoft!"
twitterfire Member since:
2008-09-11


The more pertinent question is what work do you think cannot be done feasibly on a touch screen, given a suitably designed UI?


All things productive. From programming to writing 20+ pages in Word. All things that take many hours of work and requires to write a lot and use many buttons. Even gaming will be a nightmare with touch screen only.

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RE[2]: Nice work Microsoft!
by Lennie on Fri 3rd Jun 2011 22:31 in reply to "RE: Nice work Microsoft!"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

What I hate about most of these interfaces is discoverability. They should add arrows to the interface so you can see where there is something you can try.

And if you do that, I think it would help with making a touch interface work with keyboard/mouse as well.

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