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My biggest beef with FreeNAS 8 is the lack of encryption support. Essentially, there are no more open source NAS offerings that offer encryption. FreeNAS 7 had it, but FreeNAS 8 dropped it (because they became ZFS centric where .72 was UFS or ZFS).
Hmm - I am using UFS on FreeNAS 8 still... but yeah, I don't remember seeing any encryption settings.
Besides the lack of a torrent client now (which apparently they will add as a plugin soon), my other major annoyance with FreeNAS 8 is that it cannot be installed to the same disk that you use for storage any longer. That was a feature I liked about FreeNAS 0.7 With FreeNAS 8 I have to use a USB stick to boot it, and it's noticeably slower to start up. There are other advantages to using the USB stick, however, so I'm not too upset about it.
I hope that FreeNAS 8 has lots of potential once the new "plugin" features start getting used.
ZFS v28 will make an appearance sooner or later [when FreeBSD bumps up a version, and then FreeNAS bumps up to that version], which will bring things like dedup and a detachable ZIL with it. If Oracle open sources ZFS v30 like they have said they will, we'll eventually get that as well, which brings with it filesystem encryption.
I thought the encryption code was already out, but what do I know, not as much as him apparently.
I thought the encryption code was already out, but what do I know, not as much as him apparently.
ZFS encryption is a relatively new feature even on Solaris (in fact I wasn't even aware Oracle had released that versions source already).
FreeBSD's current ZFS version (v15?) doesn't even support raidz3 and deduping, which was released quite some time back, so it certainly wouldn't be recent enough to support encryption.
Encrypted volumes protect your data if someone gets physical access to your hardware so I understand why someone would want this on laptops and home computers and things that could be stolen.
What is the benefit of encryption on production NAS systems? Would it just slow things down?
RE: Whats the point of encryption?
by Laurence on Thu 9th Jun 2011 15:25
in reply to "Whats the point of encryption?"
Encrypted volumes protect your data if someone gets physical access to your hardware so I understand why someone would want this on laptops and home computers and things that could be stolen.
What is the benefit of encryption on production NAS systems? Would it just slow things down?
What is the benefit of encryption on production NAS systems? Would it just slow things down?
Piece of mind if you get burgled or (if you've got something to hide) raided by the police.
RE: Whats the point of encryption?
by umccullough on Thu 9th Jun 2011 18:45
in reply to "Whats the point of encryption?"
What is the benefit of encryption on production NAS systems? Would it just slow things down?
It's a lot easier to decommission an HD if it's encrypted - you just remove the encryption key, and the data is effectively "scrambled".
A good example is a failed HD - depending on how the disk fails, you may not be able to erase it with zeros, but someone with the proper facilities can still recover the data off it.
If the HD is in an external enclosure (like an external eSATA or USB device), having someone walk off with it is always a possibility as well.
Erasing a disk is time consuming - so being able to simply destroy the encryption key is awfully convenient in many situations (as mentioned in the situation of a police raid - one could just yank the bootable USB key from a FreeNAS box and destroy it rendering the HD contents useless).
Edit: per your performance question, I suspect the network latency/bandwidth is a larger impact when using a NAS. With read/write caching (including read-ahead) and enough RAM, you shouldn't notice much performance impact on block-level encryption. A fast CPU should already do the trick.
Edited 2011-06-09 18:55 UTC
RE: Whats the point of encryption?
by tony on Fri 10th Jun 2011 02:05
in reply to "Whats the point of encryption?"
Encrypted volumes protect your data if someone gets physical access to your hardware so I understand why someone would want this on laptops and home computers and things that could be stolen.
What is the benefit of encryption on production NAS systems? Would it just slow things down?
What is the benefit of encryption on production NAS systems? Would it just slow things down?
There is some performance penalty for encryption, unless you have an Intel CPU that has AES-NI. Most of the laptops have it now, and a good number of the desktop CPUs have it. It seems to remove most of the performance penalty for encryption.
If you run Truecrypt and have an AES-NI processor (only Intel has them right now) then you can also make use of the acceleration.




FreeNAS 8 is a bit like KDE 4. iXsystems is really quite amazing, but they cannot work at warp speed. I bet a pony this new FreeNAS will have the whole kitchen sink this year.
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My biggest beef with FreeNAS 8 is the lack of encryption support. Essentially, there are no more open source NAS offerings that offer encryption. FreeNAS 7 had it, but FreeNAS 8 dropped it (because they became ZFS centric where .72 was UFS or ZFS).
I would need to run regular Ubuntu or another distro or FreeBSD, and lose all the great tools FreeNAS had in order to pull off encryption.
OpenFiler doesn't do encryption. I tried to add Truecrypt but there were a tons of dependency problems with even getting a compiler installed)
ZFS supports encryption, but not in the version that's integrated with FreeNAS.