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It is called an "idiot tax" ... those less able to see the scam for what it is end up spending more ... 90%+ of all business is done on this basis.
And lots of people are harmed and stressed out everyday by things like their job, family, spouses etc ... You point is what ... at the end of the day it is still upto an individual to look after themselves once they are an adult and are mentally and physically able.
There are no parallels.
For big businesses it does, they have the resouces to develop and support open source. Those who are smaller especially small teams have nothing to gain from open source ... if they open source their tech ... their largest competitor can take the application and support it ... the smaller company loses out almost immediately.
As for Software patents ... say If I am a sole developer and I develop an application and it is closed source ... how do I protect my the main selling point (assuming it is good) of say google or microsoft just taking the idea and creating their own ... they have many times the magnitude of resource???
No it isn't ... you compairing suicide to a business asking for money that they are legally entitled to isn't directly comparable ... this is batshit insane to make that connection ... I honestly wonder whether you live in the real world at all.
One is tragic ... the other one is business ... other than the handing over of some cash money there is no loss in human life ... do you actually think before you write this drivel?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_scarcity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadweight_loss
Until you demonstrate a point against these concepts, you have NOT established any case for software patents.
I have already addressed an example where software patents might actually be beneficial above.
HoweverI wasn't arguing for or against software patents ... I was actually arguing that you cannot compare various social problems like addiction to software patents ...
Not this tired old argument again.... Name me one piece of "innovative world-class" software that has come out of FOSS. The vast majority of FOSS are clones of commercial products... And often rather poor clones with little documentation at that.
The UNIX companies that no longer exist, and the UNIX programmers that lost their jobs because commercial UNIX could no longer compete against a free alternative might beg to disagree with you about the benefits of FOSS to the economy... At least to their economy... Just sayin'...
I hope you realize that the vast majority of proprietary software are clones of previous software :-)
Though, thankfully, a lot of "clones" bring some features that the original did not.
At least, as it is libre/free software, you can improve the documentation and so collaborate, and we all benefit.
Often, proprietary software has the same problems of documentation and so, see
http://www.tucows.com/downloads?hp=A2
(a lot of programs).
The key is using the better programs, not most of the ones you often find.
One key to improve the economy is to have jobs that are really useful, if one worker has done something, like inventing the wheel, other worker must not reinvent it, this is the about the idea of really useful jobs, and put resources into more useful places :-)
"Name me one piece of "innovative world-class" software that has come out of FOSS."
Apache seems like a pretty popular open source bit of software though perhaps not the first html server.
OpenSSH is pretty nice stuff but again, there may be a ClosedSSH that came before it?
PHP seems like a popular programming language. Not sure what we can claim for innovation but it seems pretty popular.
Truecrypt is the definitive full drive encryption at this time and also happens to be developed under an open source license.
Perhaps the TCP stack Microsoft took from BSD? That may be too esoteric.
Metasploit. It is indeed innovative (before it, no framework for developing and using exploit code existed).
Firfox, if not now, was an innovative browser in the beginning.. and also developed under open source licenses.
Given that sharing source code and developing colaboratively goes all the way back to the model train nerds at MIT open source actually provided the first real innovations in the computer industry. computer based generation and manipulation of music. the first graphic video game; use of atual star charts; simulation of environmental affects like gravity.
Sure, not everything developed under open or closed licenses are innovative but to discount any software written under a specific development model as uninovative just because of the development model? seems like you may be trying to counter-balance lemur's opinion with an equally extreme opinion?




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Most people have a regretably limited understanding of mathematics. Even some people who are reasonably good at arithmentic are still susceptible to the illusion that they might win at gambling. I am still amazed that people can walk in to a magnificent, opulent, extravagant casino and be impressed, somehow utterly missing the fact that it is gambler's money that pays for the extravagence. "Voluntary taxation" is how I like to think about it.
But anyway ... people can, and do, complain about gambling, even though as I pointed out, it is legal in many jurisdictions. This is the main point to take away ... one should not moan and complain that some people campaign against legal gambling, because there is good reason for those complaints, and many people are demonstrably harmed from the gambling industry.
The parallels with software patents are pretty clear. There is an alternative software industry called FOSS that pays programmers, produces innovative world-class software and reduces costs for everyone. The potential economic benefit to the entire economony is absolutely enormous. Software patents could kill this golden goose ... yet there are people still who somehow champion software patents. That is rather like barracking for the casino bosses and saying "ha ha" to the gamblers who suicide ...
In order to counter the argument that software patents are an economic burden rather than an economic boon (as some people like to pretend), you must read, understand and make intelligent comment on these topics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_scarcity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadweight_loss
Until you demonstrate a point against these concepts, you have NOT established any case for software patents.
Edited 2011-07-06 00:51 UTC