Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Jul 2011 21:34 UTC, submitted by sb56637
Legal Blah blah Apple whines about a bunch of software patents again. Go cry in a corner, Jobs. Either find a strategy that counters the rise of Android, or just suck it up and be a man about it. Oh, HTC is the target this time around. Again. Whatever.
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So....
by Nelson on Mon 11th Jul 2011 23:25 UTC
Nelson
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2005-11-29

Contrary to what people say, Android really is not free when HTC has to pay legal fees because Google refuses to indemnify its OEMs.

Meanwhile, noticeably absent from the list of devices Apple complains about are any Windows Phones.

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RE: So....
by Beta on Mon 11th Jul 2011 23:27 in reply to "So...."
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2005-07-06

Contrary to what people say, Android really is not free when HTC has to pay legal fees because Google refuses to indemnify its OEMs.


What?

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RE[2]: So....
by Nelson on Mon 11th Jul 2011 23:29 in reply to "RE: So...."
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2005-11-29

Android handset manufacturers have to pay any legal costs regarding patent claims. Microsoft guarantees legal protection from such claims to their OEMs.

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RE: So....
by kaiwai on Tue 12th Jul 2011 06:53 in reply to "So...."
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2005-07-06

Contrary to what people say, Android really is not free when HTC has to pay legal fees because Google refuses to indemnify its OEMs.

Meanwhile, noticeably absent from the list of devices Apple complains about are any Windows Phones.


From what I understand Microsoft and Apple have several agreements - at the end of the day its of no benefit them fighting each other when the greatest threat is from Android and alternative platforms. It reminds me of the whole 'licensing' shake-down regarding Linux on the server - either you compete or you make your competitors pay royalties and thus drive up the cost to equal parity to your own product.

With that being said most of the growth I see in Android devices in New Zealand are in the sub $500 category - something that Apple really has no interest in competing against. If Apple want to compete and keep mindshare then all they need to is show the statistics when it comes to units sold and average price of said units - all very nice for the Android fanboys to boast about low cost phones but if the users are cheapskates who refuse to hand over $1.29 for a game then where is the ecosystem for the long term sustainability of the platform?

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RE[2]: So....
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 12th Jul 2011 07:38 in reply to "RE: So...."
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2005-06-29

f Apple want to compete and keep mindshare then all they need to is show the statistics when it comes to units sold and average price of said units - all very nice for the Android fanboys to boast about low cost phones but if the users are cheapskates who refuse to hand over $1.29 for a game then where is the ecosystem for the long term sustainability of the platform?


I don't know - oh wait, let's check.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-201007-201105

Ah, so it leaves it at right around 92%.

Edited 2011-07-12 07:39 UTC

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RE: So....
by protomank on Tue 12th Jul 2011 13:44 in reply to "So...."
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2006-08-03

Do you realize this only applies to US, south corea and one or two contries more, right?
Here in Brazil, for example, Apple can't use their mafia payment tatics, as there are no such thing as software patents. SO Samsung, HTC, and others can sell their phones here without paying any extra money to Apple or Microsoft.

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RE[2]: So....
by Nelson on Tue 12th Jul 2011 15:14 in reply to "RE: So...."
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

So what? The legal costs are extraordinarily high in just those countries alone. Plus, the resulting damages should they actually infringe on any of the patents in question would be staggering.

Hence why HTC and other Android OEMs are Microsoft patent licensees. Meaning Microsoft makes money for every handset sold globally, for patents in the United States.

So they are not insulated from the thread of patent litigation simply because it is a United States law.

My point is; that Android is not free if they have to:

A) License patents from Microsoft (and given the fact that HTC and others have done so, they've decided that the risk isnt worth the reward of dragging it out in the courts)
B) If they DONT settle, then they need to pay exorbitant legal fees, and even more in damages should they lose.

Android is not free, there are hidden costs everywhere. Thats just one of them.

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