Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Jul 2011 22:47 UTC, submitted by Jennimc
Legal If you can't compete, litigate. Not entirely unsurprisingly, the US ITC has sided with a US company against a Taiwanese competitor - the US International Trade Commission judge has ruled that out of ten patents Apple brought into its suit against HTC, the Taiwanese smartphone pioneer is infringing upon two. The ruling has to be reviewed by a panel of six, but if they agree, then some HTC devices may be banned from the US market - unless HTC and Apple can come to a settlement. We also know which two patents - and yes, they're software patents, of course.
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RE[2]: "Merit"
by jack_perry on Sat 16th Jul 2011 12:02 UTC in reply to "RE: "Merit""
jack_perry
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2005-07-06

In growth, Android > iOS. Don't look at today, look at tomorrow.


Thom, that's not a measure of merit; that's a measure of manufacturing capacity (and quite possibly a deliberate cap imposed by Apple, at that).

Look at it this way: your argument is equivalent to saying that for years BMW couldn't compete with Volkswagen "on merit" simply because in growth, Volkswagens > BMW.

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RE[3]: "Merit"
by molnarcs on Sat 16th Jul 2011 18:37 in reply to "RE[2]: "Merit""
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

"In growth, Android > iOS. Don't look at today, look at tomorrow.


Thom, that's not a measure of merit; that's a measure of manufacturing capacity (and quite possibly a deliberate cap imposed by Apple, at that).

Look at it this way: your argument is equivalent to saying that for years BMW couldn't compete with Volkswagen "on merit" simply because in growth, Volkswagens > BMW.
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No, Thom is right. Your analogy (like most analogies) is misleading. The best selling Android devices are BMWs in their own right. What analysts predicted, that Android will flood the market with cheap sub $200 handsets from Chinese mom & pop shops, did not happen. The best-selling devices come from Samsung, HTC and Motorola. They are in the same price range as iPhones, in some cases more expensive. Market conditions also changed - now more and more people think of smartphones as computers and more: they can do email, facebook, even decent photos and videos - fun stuff for everyday people.

10 years ago, the only somewhat successful "smartphone" manufacturer was NOKIA. Oh, the irony! But they were no "fun" devices. They were useful for a very limited audience, the general public mainly ignored the $500+ smartphones. I'm talking about the Nokia 9000 Communicator and the likes here. Can do "spreadsheets and has an awesome calendar" is far less appealing than facebook, photos, videos, youtube, mp3, etc. So you have a fairly large market that is willing to pay $500+ for smartphones, because they are fun now for everyday people. Your BMW analogy failes right there - iPhones are not today's BMWs. It's not "exclusive" to own an iPhone. Just look at their market share. Ultimately, you are comparing Volkswagens (or maybe Opels) to Volkswagens.

You make no sense.

Edited 2011-07-16 18:40 UTC

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RE[4]: "Merit"
by jack_perry on Sat 16th Jul 2011 21:28 in reply to "RE[3]: "Merit""
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

"Look at it this way: your argument is equivalent to saying that for years BMW couldn't compete with Volkswagen "on merit" simply because in growth, Volkswagens > BMW.


No, Thom is right. Your analogy (like most analogies) is misleading. The best selling Android devices are BMWs in their own right.
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You are attacking a straw man. I am not an Apple fanboy; quite the contrary. See here, for example:

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?479480

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?479478

I don't doubt that Apple is worried about Android, and is using its patent portfolio in an anti-competitive way. I just don't think they're doing it because they think Android will beat them on the "merits"; I think they're doing it because of what I said originally: manufacturing capacity. Apple wants to control completely the devices that use iOS; that means they are the only manufacturer of iOS devices, whereas Google doesn't want to manufacture hardware; they're happy to license them, take the money, and run. Like the PC clones, many, many more Androids can be made than iOS devices.

So the intent of the analogy was not to slur Android, but purely in the means I used it: Thom's use of market growth as a measure of merit is not at all convincing. It's like arguing that "Market growth of Coke > Virgil's Microbrewed Root Beer, so Coke must be better" (or any other drink you wish to insert there).

I hope that helps. The rest of your post is likewise beating that strawman, so I won't reply.

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