Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 19th Jul 2011 17:09 UTC
Google For the first time, Google has opened its mouth against the patent trolling by Apple (and by proxy, Microsoft) against Android manufacturers. By way of Eric Schmidt, Google's chairman, the company took stand against the legal actions, and stated they aren't too worried. If need be, Google will ensure HTC doesn't lose the patent case against Apple.
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RE[6]: How can this be fixed?
by cranfordio on Tue 19th Jul 2011 21:15 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: How can this be fixed?"
cranfordio
Member since:
2005-11-10

I am someone who reads about all these patent lawsuits and recognizes a problem. But most of the responses I see are just to abolish software patents. I am an educated person that feels that that answer is just to simple, and to me seems lazy.

You're like a layman trying to advice cancer researchers on possible cures for cancer... see the problem?


I wouldn't say that I am like a layman trying to advise cancer researchers on a cure for cancer. I am a layman that is trying to understand how cancer works and why the current attempts at a cure don't work. Just trying to educate myself.

So you're a mature person trying to find a solution for other people, while not actually having any experience in the field.


I only mentioned the maturity part due to the immaturity that had occurred in another response. Also, I am hoping that as a community others could offer suggestions in order that together we may be able to devise a possible solution. Sometimes people on the outside see things differently than those on the inside, and different perspectives aren't always bad.

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RE[7]: How can this be fixed?
by Gunderwo on Tue 19th Jul 2011 21:23 in reply to "RE[6]: How can this be fixed?"
Gunderwo Member since:
2006-01-03

I am someone who reads about all these patent lawsuits and recognizes a problem. But most of the responses I see are just to abolish software patents. I am an educated person that feels that that answer is just to simple, and to me seems lazy.


And you think it's lazy because you don't know what you're talking about. You're talking out your bum to people who actually walk the walk and telling us how our business should be conducted. This is not mature. It in no way helps solve the problem. All it does is muddy the waters and make it even more difficult to actually fix the problem. Copyright protection is all that is needed for software. A free market and innovative and well run companies will continue to innovate, make tonnes of cash and contribute a generally healthy economy without any software patents.

Asserting anything other that that without having any sort of experience and giving ridiculous examples on why we need patents is immature. You sir are less mature than anyone who has responded to you. You are a part of the problem. So, until you have something valuable to contribute why don't you shut your mouth and try and read a lot more to understand the problem. Then maybe we can have a mature discussion.

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cranfordio Member since:
2005-11-10

I am trying to have a mature conversation and to understand this better and seek solutions. i am not the one that started with the insults. I may not be a software developer but I would think that if I spent considerable time and money developing something (software, hardware, whatever) and someone else with more resources, influence, or marketing muscle can just do the same thing because they like what I created seems wrong. I don't think I need to be a developer to see this problem. Of course others responded with informative mature answers to help me see this from their perspective, and that is all I am looking for.

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RE[7]: How can this be fixed?
by molnarcs on Wed 20th Jul 2011 05:47 in reply to "RE[6]: How can this be fixed?"
molnarcs Member since:
2005-09-10

I am someone who reads about all these patent lawsuits and recognizes a problem.


No, you don't recognize the problem. See, the software you spent 100.000 man hours developing already infringes on dozens, if not hundreds of patents. That is, if it's more complex than "Hello World" - which I presume it is.

But most of the responses I see are just to abolish software patents. I am an educated person that feels that that answer is just to simple, and to me seems lazy.


Educated maybe, but certainly not informed. If you had any clue about what's happening in the software patent scene (and how the software industry works) than you wouldn't have come up with such a silly example. Software/ideas patents are by definition, uncontrollable. There can't be good or bad software patents. Or rather, it would be impossible to establish an authority that could decide objectively whether an idea is worthy of patenting or not. Establish a panel of software engineers? But most patents don't actually cover software! Besides, software engineers ... you know, write software. At least the talented ones. They are not sitting in committees or panels.

I only mentioned the maturity part due to the immaturity that had occurred in another response. Also, I am hoping that as a community others could offer suggestions in order that together we may be able to devise a possible solution. Sometimes people on the outside see things differently than those on the inside, and different perspectives aren't always bad.


The community came up with an excellent solution. It's simple, elegant, and effective: abolish software patents - or limit it to 6 months or something. Now I understand that you don't like this idea because it's a "lazy" solution. But you demonstrated laziness yourself when ignoring the vast amount of literature on this subject (your example scenario is evidence to that).

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Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

I am someone who reads about all these patent lawsuits and recognizes a problem. But most of the responses I see are just to abolish software patents. I am an educated person that feels that that answer is just to simple, and to me seems lazy.


My guess is that you are just trolling, but anyways I'll bite.

The problem with SW Patents are not that they exists. The problem is that many, many (perhaps as many as 90%) of all the issued patents are obvious even to an undergrad in CS. During the late 90's some of the larger companies (SUN, AT&T etc) had internal competitions for who could get the most obvious patents approved...

Now that is not much of a problem because if it is obvious you can most likely find prior art.

However if the patent owner (patent troll) is well funded (lets say has $100M++ available for litigation) then you as a real software company do not stand a chance in court (because you may only have 100K ++ available for defensive litigation).

So you settle, to avoid further problems.

This is similar to the small "drugstore" in "Little Italy" paying protection money to the Mafia, or else..

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