Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 26th Jul 2011 21:14 UTC
Apple Petty Apple is petty. Amazon, Kobo, and others have changed their applications to conform to Apple's App Store rules, and if there's one word that describes the situation these booksellers are in, it's petty. Still, it's leading to good things: Kobo has announced it's going to bypass the App Store by writing an HTML5 e-reader for iOS (and thus, for other HTML5-capable mobile devices).
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And how would Amazon treat Apple?
by Sabon on Tue 26th Jul 2011 23:10 UTC
Sabon
Member since:
2005-07-06

And how would Amazon treat Apple? Do you really think that Amazon would let Apple create a bookstore on their Kindle with links back to Apple so that Amazon got zero profit on books bought through an iBook for Amazon store?

If you think they would, I have ocean front property in Iowa that I'd love to sell you.

What about Google? Would they start letting Apple place ads on Google pages that Apple gets paid for but not Google?

If you do, I'll sell you more of the waterfront land in Iowa.

Edited 2011-07-26 23:14 UTC

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

What about Google? Would they start letting Apple place ads on Google pages that Apple gets paid for but not Google?


Well, I don't believe Google places the same kind of restrictions on their app store that Apple does, in that they don't demand that all apps MUST have purchases done inside the app so that Google gets a cut. So yeah, in this case, Apple is the more 'evil' of the two.

The author of this piece is right... the ones that suffer the most from this is iOS users, which is really dumb, when you consider that app developers are just removing purchasing options altogether (as opposed to paying the Apple tax), so it's not like Apple is going to accomplish anything out of this, except pissing off its customers.

Edited 2011-07-26 23:29 UTC

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ezylstra Member since:
2010-07-16

"the ones that suffer the most from this is iOS users"

And where would these users be without Apple and their products. Do you remember the world before iPhone? There would not be an Android without iPhone.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I think you confuse "sense of reason" with "in my opinion".

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

It's very telling that every comment BUT yours has high moderation despite the fact that your link is the only one that offers a sense of reason. I gave you a point. Enjoy it while you can.

Are you reading the same comment as everyone else?

His comment not only lacked any links, but his arguments are also very easily disproved (not that he even made any concrete arguments; it was mostly speculation)

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Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

Except Amazon doesn't have a device as robust and app-friendly as the iOS devices (yet; I know they are rumored to have an Android tablet on the way). We can't pass judgement on them until we see what they do.

As for Google...as others have pointed out, they do indeed allow such things as in-app purchases via third party payment processors, in-app account management, and in-app links and ads by the app publisher. Anyone with an Android device can attest to that. Not only that, you don't even have to use Google's Android Market app store if you don't want to. Amazon's app store works great and has an amazing selection (and free paid apps daily), and there are other app stores too. With iOS, short of jailbreaking you are locked in to Apple's store and the limitations that come with it.

I've always been a big fan of Apple's OSes (and their hardware to a lesser extent) but their business practices have always rubbed me the wrong way. This is becoming ridiculous. I know what you might say, that it's their App Store and they have a right to do what they want with it, including heavy-handed restrictions. And you would be right; as they are not a monopoly they can get away with a few anti-competitive things for now. And with the strong and growing presence of Android, I doubt iOS will ever be the dominant mobile platform. In the end, this will only hurt the consumers first, and Apple second.

Edited 2011-07-27 01:10 UTC

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

I would rather Amazon concentrate on the Kindle which is pretty ACE ... Going to buy one as soon as I can afford one.

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

And how would Amazon treat Apple? Do you really think that Amazon would let Apple create a bookstore on their Kindle with links back to Apple so that Amazon got zero profit on books bought through an iBook for Amazon store?

If you think they would, I have ocean front property in Iowa that I'd love to sell you.

What about Google? Would they start letting Apple place ads on Google pages that Apple gets paid for but not Google?

If you do, I'll sell you more of the waterfront land in Iowa.

Way to try and create a straw man argument there. The fact is these same apps are available on Android, so we know exactly how Google would react in the same situation. It's quite different than the path Apple chose.

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Slambert666 Member since:
2008-10-30

WAIT...

So it is like this:
Step 1:
Software, Apple gets 30%.

Step 2:
Media content, Apple gets 30% (currently under implementation).

And you are actually ok with this, because someone else might do the same.....

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

And how would Amazon treat Apple? Do you really think that Amazon would let Apple create a bookstore on their Kindle with links back to Apple so that Amazon got zero profit on books bought through an iBook for Amazon store?

AFAIK you're not locked into Amazons book store on the Kindle. Thus you could download from Apples online portals and equally have links in books that reference back to Apple.

What about Google? Would they start letting Apple place ads on Google pages that Apple gets paid for but not Google?

Why not. It's been proven time and time again that Google Market is very loosely (too loosely in fact) moderated.

Furthermore, you're not locked into Google's Market on Android. In fact Amazon (for example) already have their own Android repository.

If you think they would, I have ocean front property in Iowa that I'd love to sell you.

If you do, I'll sell you more of the waterfront land in Iowa.

Given you've been wrong on both counts, can I assume that you're also wrong about having a property for sale :p

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BallmerKnowsBest Member since:
2008-06-02

And how would Amazon treat Apple? Do you really think that Amazon would let Apple create a bookstore on their Kindle with links back to Apple so that Amazon got zero profit on books bought through an iBook for Amazon store?


Durr, last I checked the Kindle's an ebook reader & not a general-purpose tablet or smartphone that runs 3rd party apps.

Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but Amazon will happily sell you an iPad and they don't seem to care that they don't get a cut of any "iBook" sales that happen as a result.

What about Google?


What about them? I doubt they'd give two shits if Apple decided to release a fullblown Android version of the iTunes store... or hell, a version OF Android with the iTunes store integrated into it. A far cry from the "waaaah, it's our sandbox and we're going to tweak the rules endlessly so we get our way" BS that Apple loves.

Would they start letting Apple place ads on Google pages that Apple gets paid for but not Google?


Probably not... too bad that isn't at all analogous to Apple's actions here. Clearly you started that paragraph to make a comparison with Android, then realized how badly Apple would look in that comparison, and posted some non-sequitur BS about ads instead.

If you do, I'll sell you more of the waterfront land in Iowa.


Oh, hyuck, hyuck, hyuck. Don't quit your day job, Chuckles.

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