Linked by V. Deseinture on Fri 29th Jul 2011 20:50 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris Unlike Apple and Microsoft, and despite numerous demands from their users, Linux distributions have been traditionally unable to directly ship the popular Adobe Flash Player with their packages, due to the closed source nature of the software and the restrictive license chosen by Adobe. While it does seems shorter than a regular EULA made by Microsoft with all the legalese that goes with it, it does still restrict redistribution in most cases, and the FAQ seemed to be clear about that point.
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by Hiev on Fri 29th Jul 2011 21:57 UTC
Hiev
Member since:
2005-09-27

Ain't that something Linux Mint has been doing since forever?

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by Arv3n on Fri 29th Jul 2011 22:34 in reply to "..."
Arv3n Member since:
2011-07-29

I thought Mandriva One included flash already as well.

what is this article about exactly? am i missing something?

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by dexter11 on Sat 30th Jul 2011 10:08 in reply to "RE: ..."
dexter11 Member since:
2008-01-11

It's been a while since I tried Mandriva One but I think you're wrong.

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by josi on Mon 1st Aug 2011 12:53 in reply to "RE: ..."
josi Member since:
2009-03-11

Yes that's true. The Adobe Flash Player have been boundled with Mandriva One for years.

What have changed now is that now Mandriva will only publish one official Mandriva flavour, and that one won't be a fully free one.

But the will also distribute community editions which of course can be 100% free. ;)

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by Liquidator on Sat 30th Jul 2011 00:22 in reply to "..."
Liquidator Member since:
2007-03-04

Commercial software should be downloaded and installed on-demand, not by installed by default.

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by Gullible Jones on Sat 30th Jul 2011 01:27 in reply to "RE: ..."
Gullible Jones Member since:
2006-05-23

Except that in this case, much of the internet won't work at all without it. And yes, we can whine all we want about how dumb that is - overuse of Flash is dumb - but that won't change the situation, at least not for a while.

IMO we need functionality by default, not ideology. Proprietary software may be inconvenient at times, but it is definitely here to stay, and if the Linux crowd doesn't cotton onto that idea their operating system will probably die off on the desktop.

Edit: oh yeah, just to be clear, I use Linux.

Edited 2011-07-30 01:30 UTC

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by jabbotts on Sat 30th Jul 2011 12:16 in reply to "RE: ..."
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

The user should have the choice of feature complete fit for there needs. The distribution should have the choice of what legally distributable software it includes by default for the target user. There can be both feature complete distros and opt-in distros. Let Mandriva and Mint include it. Debian can still place it in the opt-in "non-free" repositor.

To be honest, I've thought it nuts that Canonical claims to deliver a distro for everybody especially new users yet it took a fork to Mint for "new user" commodity polish like more complete hardware support, codecs, flash and such. If new and average users are the target customer then one should favour enabling that type of user.

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by filosofem on Mon 1st Aug 2011 06:23 in reply to "..."
filosofem Member since:
2010-05-05

Linux Mint does not only install Flash but also various proprietary codecs by default. I'm not sure how legal it is or how they get away with it, but I figured I'd end up having to install the codecs anyway, so as long as LMDE maintains compatibility with Debian Testing, I'm cool.

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by Neolander on Mon 1st Aug 2011 09:31 in reply to "RE: ..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Mint's mirrors are probably located in a place of the world where it's legal to redistribute flash player and non-free codecs with linux distros, like a large part of Europe (inc. Turkey).

Don't know how long this situation will last, though (in France, I think DeCSS has been made illegal some years ago by the DADVSI law, as an example). But for now, these countries are blessed with very good OOB Linux distro UX.

Edited 2011-08-01 09:33 UTC

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