Linked by David Adams on Thu 15th Sep 2011 07:08 UTC, submitted by kristoph
Windows Microsoft announced during the build conference, and Steve Sinofsky reiterated in a blog posting that: "For the web to move forward and for consumers to get the most out of touch-first browsing, the Metro style browser in Windows 8 is as HTML5-only as possible, and plug-in free. The experience that plug-ins provide today is not a good match with Metro style browsing and the modern HTML5 web." Sinfosky goes on explain why Microsoft will not include Flash and why it's no longer needed. It's as close as we'll get to an obituary for Flash. Update from Thom: Added a note in the 'read more'!
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Games for social networking
by JoshuaS on Thu 15th Sep 2011 20:55 UTC
JoshuaS
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2011-09-15

I'm not a programmer, so I don't know if what I'm saying is right. But I'd like to share this thought to learn more about the situation.

Consider Facebook applications like Farmville. They are extremely popular and are written with Flash. And I don't see how they could be written without it. As far as I know, fetching Javascript from a remote server and blindly letting it do whatever it wants is a very bad idea. With Flash, the application is sandboxed, and thus, it would be harder to compromise a system this way, and developers with genuine goals won't need to go through a daunting bureaucratic process for approving their application.

Am I missing something, or will there always be a little place for Flash?

( Again, I don't want to start a HTML 5 versus Flash debate, I just want to know this since I'm working on a little project and I'd like to know whether the ( short term ) future is Flash or HTML 5 for applications. )

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RE: Games for social networking
by sorpigal on Fri 16th Sep 2011 17:34 in reply to "Games for social networking"
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2005-11-02

Farmville could be done with JS and HTML these days. Not as simply or easily as with Flash, but it could be done as securely. The missing pieces today will soon be filled by WebSockets and the JS audio API. When you can sync visuals to sounds there'll be little reason to use flash for games.

Flash is still going to be 'better' at it for a while--you don't replace something so mature quickly, not with any degree of perfection.

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RE: Games for social networking
by Driht on Fri 16th Sep 2011 22:09 in reply to "Games for social networking"
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2010-08-16

Javascript is even more "sandboxed" than any browser plugin, since it is even more limited and controlled than any plugin. And it shows, the worst security holes for your desktop have always come from plugins, not Javascript.

About Flash future, such widely used runtimes as Flash usually take very long to die; Visual Basic was deprecated nearly a decade ago, and it is still fully supported by Windows, because of the thousands of internal apps in use out there. Anyway, I don't recommend investing heavily in a dying platform, it can be very painful in the long term. Is Flash one of them? I don't think anyone really knows. I think the most probable way for Flash to die is by Adobe making a HTML5 compiler for Flash source files. It would be a good move, because it will keep developers using Adobe IDEs, which is their real source of Flash income. Will they do? Who knows...

About Windows 8: everytime Microsoft launches a new version of Windows we get thousands of people ranting everywhere about dropped features, DRM, and other nonsense. Everytime, all of these babble is utterly wrong.

Microsoft revenue is heavily dependent on enterprise. Nowadays the money in enterprise software is not on licenses at all, it is in support, training and certification. That's the main reason of the success of most of the open source companies. They will never do anything that breaks their stronghold there. A clear example is IE6: maintaining it was a real pain in the ass, it was totally outdated, giving them bad press, but many of their enterprise clients have very expensive internal aplications based on it, so they kept it for years, until their clients got ridden of their legacy apps or virtualized them (Citrix has helped a lot).

I have just tried the Developer Preview of Windows 8, and, as far as I can see, it is an alpha of the combination Windows 7 plus Metro. It lacks some things, but most of them don't really make sense in a developer preview and surely will be added later (extreme example: can't find minesweeper). Changing between Metro and the classic desktop is as simple as pressing the Windows logo on your keyboard. If you only use classic windows apps, you will only see Metro on logon, logout and when you try to use the Start Menu, all of these are only on Metro.

Anyway, most of the new interface seems to be very bare bones. Most eggregious example is probably the shitty new Start button; I don't think it is going to remain untouched very long.

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