Linked by David Adams on Thu 29th Sep 2011 23:47 UTC, submitted by lucas_maximus
Linux Linux is struggling on the desktop because it only has a small number of "great" apps, according to the Gnome co-creator. Miguel de Icaza, co-creator of the Gnome desktop, told tech journalist Tim Anderson at the recent Windows 8 Build conference "When you count how many great desktop apps there are on Linux, you can probably name 10," de Icaza said, according to a post on Anderson's IT Writing blog. "You work really hard, you can probably name 20. We've managed to p*** off developers every step of the way, breaking APIs all the time."
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RE: He's right
by WorknMan on Fri 30th Sep 2011 01:13 UTC in reply to "He's right"
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

I agree with Miguel, he's 100% on the spot about this, as usual.


Indeed he is. And the sad thing is that it has taken this long for him to realize it? Imagine how much further Linux could have progressed if they had figured this shit out in 2001 instead of now. Of course, it's not like us non-Linux users haven't been beating this drum for the past decade or more, but would anybody listen to us? Hell no. Why? Because obviously, having half a dozen desktop environments and 900 distros to choose from really IS a good thing ;)

As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?

Edited 2011-09-30 01:13 UTC

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RE[2]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 01:54 in reply to "RE: He's right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?


Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted.

Plasma desktop
digikam
krita
k3b
kate
okular
dolphin
Kst
Amarok
qalculate

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RE[3]: He's right
by stabbyjones on Fri 30th Sep 2011 02:21 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
stabbyjones Member since:
2008-04-15

The question was asking for "10 really good apps" not 10 KDE packages.

There are plenty of awesome QT apps out there;
(http://packages.python.org/spyder/overview.html)

But parts of the KDE SC don't qualify as 'really good'.

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RE[3]: He's right
by narcissus on Fri 30th Sep 2011 02:35 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
narcissus Member since:
2005-07-06

"As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?


Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted.

Plasma desktop
digikam
krita
k3b
kate
okular
dolphin
Kst
Amarok
qalculate
"

I have to second this list. I'm not sure what Mono Miguel is spewing about. What is "great"? Does he consider Mono great? (I know, it's not an "ap", but wtf? I also agree with what someone just posted the he's having a hard time listing 10 "great" windows apps.

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RE[3]: He's right
by lemur2 on Fri 30th Sep 2011 05:16 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?
Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted. Plasma desktop, digikam, krita, k3b, kate, okular, dolphin, Kst, Amarok, qalculate "

WTF? Why was this voted down? I listed 10 apps that don't run on Windows. All 10 are at least as good as any other equivalent app for other platforms for the same purpose.

A perfectly polite and concise answer to the question posed.

What on earth is going on with the downvoting?

Is there some point here that some people don't want others to know about, or something?

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RE[3]: He's right
by jack_perry on Fri 30th Sep 2011 05:29 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
jack_perry Member since:
2005-07-06

SAGE (www.sagemath.org)

Currently runs in Windows only via a virtual machine, or through browser web pages served from a Linux box. :-D

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RE[3]: He's right
by TemporalBeing on Fri 30th Sep 2011 14:42 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
TemporalBeing Member since:
2007-08-22

"As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?


Depends what you mean by "really good apps". I will interpret it as meaning apps that are at least as good, if not far better, as those currently used for the same purposes on Windows. OK, challenge accepted.

Plasma desktop
digikam
krita
k3b
kate
okular
dolphin
Kst
Amarok
qalculate
"

While I agree that those are great apps, most of them do actually run on Windows as one of the stated goals of KDE4 was for more cross-platform capabilities, and to that end windows.kde.org is driving the Windows ports of most all of KDE. This was aided, of course, by TrollTech/Nokia expanding the GPL/LGPL license of Qt to the Windows version, which use to only be for their commercial customers prior to Qt 4.

About the only app that I know of that doesn't run on Windows from KDE is Konsole which is due to the Pty support on Windows (or rather the lack thereof).

I'm not sure of k3b runs on Windows yet or not...it might, but I can't remember.

Oh - and the KDE/Windows folks even provide a nice installer that does a fairly good job of acting as a package manager, albeit only for what they build.

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RE[3]: He's right
by jyper on Mon 3rd Oct 2011 09:51 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
jyper Member since:
2011-10-03

One of the problems is not running on Windows, most kde apps while possibly not well tested on windows will run on windows to some extent. see http://windows.kde.org/.

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RE[2]: He's right
by jokkel on Fri 30th Sep 2011 07:08 in reply to "RE: He's right"
jokkel Member since:
2008-07-07

The greatest non Windows applications can be found on the Mac:
Final Cut, Motion, iMovie, Keynote, Pages, Aperture, iPhoto, GarageBand, OmniGraffle, Bento, Coda, BBEdit

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RE[2]: He's right
by karunko on Fri 30th Sep 2011 13:28 in reply to "RE: He's right"
karunko Member since:
2008-10-28

Because obviously, having half a dozen desktop environments and 900 distros to choose from really IS a good thing ;)

What's wrong with choices? Do you really want "one OS to rule them all"? That maybe fine for you and/or most people but, surprise, some other people like freedom (of choice) and are prepared to take the time to learn their way around and, sometimes, even put up with a botched upgrade and a reinstall -- as if such things never happen with a mainstream OS! But don't get me wrong: when I talk about choices I'm including Windows and OS X too.

As for the '10 good desktop apps thing', can you list 10 really good apps that DON'T run on Windows?

De Icaza was talking mostly about Windows 8 and Metro applications and didn't say "Linux only applications", so flipping the question on its head makes little sense to me. Unless, that is, you're interested in a pissing contest. ;-)

That said, I think there's plenty of "great" apps in Linux (and *BSD land) and any modern distribution makes for a fairly usable environment -- at least for the most common activities. It could be said that some of them are not as polished or as easy to use but, again, I value freedom most of all and I like the idea of an OS that's not controlled by a single entity. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit of an anarchist.


RT.

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RE[3]: He's right
by WorknMan on Fri 30th Sep 2011 19:59 in reply to "RE[2]: He's right"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

That said, I think there's plenty of "great" apps in Linux (and *BSD land) and any modern distribution makes for a fairly usable environment -- at least for the most common activities. It could be said that some of them are not as polished or as easy to use but, again, I value freedom most of all and I like the idea of an OS that's not controlled by a single entity. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit of an anarchist.


Basically what you're saying is that you're willing to put up with a lot of bullshit in exchange for freedom (or at least your version of it), and that's fine... I can't argue with you there.

But what many of us (both end users and developers) have been saying for years is that desktop Linux is a fragmented mess, and is a big reason why we want nothing to do with it.

Of course, some folks like it that way, and like I said before... that's fine. But in its current state, it's NEVER going to pick up any significant marketshare. So if you want to have stuff splintered in a hundred different directions, you're just going to have to live with the marketshare you have, and no amount of whining about choice and 'Steve Balmer/Jobs is a seal-clubbing bastard' is going to change it.

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