Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Oct 2011 13:31 UTC
Legal A few days ago, several countries signed ACTA, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement. As you are probably aware, ACTA was drafted up in secret, and is basically Obama/Biden's attempt to impose the US' draconian pro-big business/big content protection laws on the rest of the world ('sign it, or else'). The European Parliament still has to vote on it, and as such, Douwe Korff, professor of international law at the London Metropolitan University, and Ian Brown senior research fellow at the University of Oxford, performed a 90-page study, with a harsh conclusion: ACTA violates fundamental human rights.
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Call me contrarian...
by jackeebleu on Tue 4th Oct 2011 21:34 UTC
jackeebleu
Member since:
2006-01-26

But if I'm not stealing content or media, what's the problem? y'all the same people complain about the TSA and airport screening, but let a plane blow up and its all this manufactured outrage about why no one was screening people right?

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RE: Call me contrarian...
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 4th Oct 2011 21:42 in reply to "Call me contrarian..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If you think either the TSA or ACTA will ever stop a terrorrist or criminal... I have a bridge to sell you.

On top of that, many of the things ACTA deems illegal are legal in my country.

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RE[2]: Call me contrarian...
by jackeebleu on Wed 5th Oct 2011 23:00 in reply to "RE: Call me contrarian..."
jackeebleu Member since:
2006-01-26

Funny, since no planes have blown up lately, TSA just might be considered some form of deterrent. Ask all the idiots that thought it was cool to pack a gun in their suitcases how the flight went.

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RE: Call me contrarian...
by christian on Tue 4th Oct 2011 21:55 in reply to "Call me contrarian..."
christian Member since:
2005-07-06

But if I'm not stealing content or media, what's the problem?


Depends on whose laws you're basing it on.

"Stealing" content or media was not even a crime until recently, under pressure from the content providers to redefine what constitutes "theft".

It is laws like these that, for example, makes it technically illegal to even watch DVDs on Linux using VLC.

As a rule, I tend to avoid illegal copying of media, I prefer to own^Wlicense my copies of movies, but laws like this have far too much scope for abuse.

PS. IANAL, above may be complete fabrication etc.

Edited 2011-10-04 21:56 UTC

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RE[2]: Call me contrarian...
by lemur2 on Tue 4th Oct 2011 22:06 in reply to "RE: Call me contrarian..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

It is laws like these that, for example, makes it technically illegal to even watch DVDs on Linux using VLC.


Arguably, it isn't illegal to watch DVDs on Linux using VLC. One has paid for the optical DVD drive, one has paid for the DVD, and one has a license to run the VLC software. When one buys a DVD player and a DVD, one expects to be able to play it. "Playing" is what DVDs are meant for, afetr all, so the right to play them is implicit in the sale transaction.

The VLC software itself is not a copy of any other software, and it does not employ "stolen" keys nor any other information other than what is on the DVD itself. The decoding library (called libdvdcss) written and used by VLC has never been challenged in court. The VLC software does not have a "copy DVD" function, it is a player not a copier. The encoding used by DVDs is very weak, it is neither novel nor original, so it shouldn't have any patents applicable to it.

Why should it be illegal to watch a DVD on Linux using VLC?

No one who suggests it is illegal is ever able to explain what law has allegedly been breached by such an act.

Edited 2011-10-04 22:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Call me contrarian...
by JAlexoid on Wed 5th Oct 2011 00:06 in reply to "RE: Call me contrarian..."
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

Actually, you own copies of movies. There is no license with movies, just like with books.

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RE: Call me contrarian...
by Soulbender on Wed 5th Oct 2011 02:38 in reply to "Call me contrarian..."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

y'all the same people complain about the TSA and airport screening


Pointless measures created by panick'ed politicians and pushed by companies making a good buck.

With your argument any punishment is ok.
Off with their heads!

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