Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 1st Nov 2011 19:02 UTC
Legal So, the White House has this site where American citizens can set up petitions, and once they've gained enough support in the form of signatures, the White House will respond. One of the very first petitions added to the site called for the abolition of software patents - both issued and for the future. The petition gained enough support, so the White House has responded. Hit read more for a summary of the respons.
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WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

Otherwise, nice strategy politicians. Make a site that allows citizens to voice their opinions, and monitor how many people express support for an opinion that the establishment/lobbies/etc would never support. Then write an official response explaining how the the government sympathizes and takes steps that show that they care (even though these steps do nothing to address the demand). Then lock the petition so nobody else can sign.


LOL, are you really surprised though? I've already told Thom the deal (and of course got modded down for speaking the truth):

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?494526

So NOW do you believe it, Thom? All your little rants and petitions don't mean a goddamn thing, because the people you are pleading to do NOT work for you; they work for somebody else. And in this system, it's going to be damn near impossible to elect people in charge who aren't bought and paid for already.

Thus, if you want to make any sort of REAL change, you've got two options:

1. Pool your money together and pay the government more than the corporations do
2. Take over by force

So, if you haven't gotten the message yet, the government does NOT give a shit about you, and probably never will.

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

So NOW do you believe it, Thom?


Wait - I think I must have missed the part where I actually disagreed with you.

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Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

WorknMan,

Though I agree changes are more likely to happen with greater money and force, what exactly is the problem with putting these things out in the open for all of us to talk about? Would you have all of us shut up and not talk about things which are wrong with the world because those who are in charge don't want it to change? Would that make the world any better? Why shouldn't we talk about these things?

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WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Though I agree changes are more likely to happen with greater money and force, what exactly is the problem with putting these things out in the open for all of us to talk about? Would you have all of us shut up and not talk about things which are wrong with the world because those who are in charge don't want it to change?


Aren't the problems already obvious? Have you not clearly defined them? You and I already know that talking about these things is not going to make any sort of changes happen, so what is there left to talk about?

I think we agree that in order to make changes, you either have to buy off the government or take it over by force, and I don't think ya'll have THAT much money, so .... ;) The 'taking over by force' part might seem a little extreme, but if our government was taken over by an invading army, then you would realize that it was the only way. And our government HAS been taken over, though in this case, the people in power just willingly handed it over to the corporations.

So what you REALLY should be doing is exchanging names and addresses of the worst of the corporate CEOs, and deciding who's going to take them out. Because I promise you... these f**kers are not going to care at ALL about anything you have to say, until their rich buddies start showing up in the obituaries, and the government is not going to do anything for you either. Even if you vote them out of office, the corporations will just buy new politicians.

Or, maybe we should just sit around and talk about the problems some more? ;)

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

So, if you haven't gotten the message yet, the government does NOT give a shit about you, and probably never will.


Call it a hunch, but i think you get mod'd down because you're a douche.

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melkor Member since:
2006-12-16

You are, of course, 1000% correct.

Option 2 is looking very nice to be entirely honest - it is the ONLY way that the people will re-assert some honesty in our "elected"government(s). Sadly, the majority of our population is brainwashed, idiotic, lemming-like creatures who wouldn't get off their asses for the good of society if it hit them on the head.

Dave

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abraxas Member since:
2005-07-07

Thus, if you want to make any sort of REAL change, you've got two options:

1. Pool your money together and pay the government more than the corporations do
2. Take over by force


You're leaving out other options. This IS a democracy. What we need is major campaign finance reform, probably on the level of a constitutional ammendment. Constitutional ammendments are voted on by the states so federal politicians and their corporate cronies have less control over the outcome.

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rhavyn Member since:
2005-07-06

Constitutional ammendments are voted on by the states so federal politicians and their corporate cronies have less control over the outcome.


That is only kinda true. There are two ways for a constitutional amendment to be kicked off. The first is for two thirds of the members in both the House and the Senate passing the amendment. The second is for a Constitutional Convention to be called for by two thirds of the legislatures of the States. Once either of those two things happen the amendment requires ratification by three fourths of the states. However, only first process (amendment going through the House and the Senate) has ever actually been used. So, for all intents and purposes, an amendment requires Federal support first.

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26


LOL, are you really surprised though? I've already told Thom the deal (and of course got modded down for speaking the truth):

http://www.osnews.com/permalink?494526

You got modded down because you where just moaning about people reporting on the patent situation. Thus this article doesn't prove your point right as your point was that nobody should bother talking about patents - which is completely the wrong attitude (and again, why you got modded down).

/IF/ your point was that we should keep raising awareness and campaigning for change, but that change is unlikely to happen, then you would have been right and you would have been voted up accordingly.

Edited 2011-11-02 12:58 UTC

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