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Wait - I think I must have missed the part where I actually disagreed with you.

WorknMan,

Though I agree changes are more likely to happen with greater money and force, what exactly is the problem with putting these things out in the open for all of us to talk about? Would you have all of us shut up and not talk about things which are wrong with the world because those who are in charge don't want it to change? Would that make the world any better? Why shouldn't we talk about these things?

Aren't the problems already obvious? Have you not clearly defined them? You and I already know that talking about these things is not going to make any sort of changes happen, so what is there left to talk about?

I think we agree that in order to make changes, you either have to buy off the government or take it over by force, and I don't think ya'll have THAT much money, so .... The 'taking over by force' part might seem a little extreme, but if our government was taken over by an invading army, then you would realize that it was the only way. And our government HAS been taken over, though in this case, the people in power just willingly handed it over to the corporations.

So what you REALLY should be doing is exchanging names and addresses of the worst of the corporate CEOs, and deciding who's going to take them out. Because I promise you... these f**kers are not going to care at ALL about anything you have to say, until their rich buddies start showing up in the obituaries, and the government is not going to do anything for you either. Even if you vote them out of office, the corporations will just buy new politicians.

Or, maybe we should just sit around and talk about the problems some more?

Call it a hunch, but i think you get mod'd down because you're a douche.

You are, of course, 1000% correct.

Option 2 is looking very nice to be entirely honest - it is the ONLY way that the people will re-assert some honesty in our "elected"government(s). Sadly, the majority of our population is brainwashed, idiotic, lemming-like creatures who wouldn't get off their asses for the good of society if it hit them on the head.

Dave

You're leaving out other options. This IS a democracy. What we need is major campaign finance reform, probably on the level of a constitutional ammendment. Constitutional ammendments are voted on by the states so federal politicians and their corporate cronies have less control over the outcome.

That is only kinda true. There are two ways for a constitutional amendment to be kicked off. The first is for two thirds of the members in both the House and the Senate passing the amendment. The second is for a Constitutional Convention to be called for by two thirds of the legislatures of the States. Once either of those two things happen the amendment requires ratification by three fourths of the states. However, only first process (amendment going through the House and the Senate) has ever actually been used. So, for all intents and purposes, an amendment requires Federal support first.

You got modded down because you where just moaning about people reporting on the patent situation. Thus this article doesn't prove your point right as your point was that nobody should bother talking about patents - which is completely the wrong attitude (and again, why you got modded down).

/IF/ your point was that we should keep raising awareness and campaigning for change, but that change is unlikely to happen, then you would have been right and you would have been voted up accordingly.

Edited 2011-11-02 12:58 UTC